What flags really are

themarkymark (78)in #steem • 6 years ago (edited)

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6 years ago in #steem by themarkymark (78)

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sbi-booster (58) 6 years ago (edited)

Great explanation! I was thinking about writing something like this and now I don't have to. (Maybe I still will... we have overlapping audience but maybe I will attract some readers that miss yours.)

I never heard anyone complain the received an upvote increasing their potential rewards on their content.

This has happened to us at SBI, actually. In most cases it was because somebody didn't understand how curation works - "Your upvotes are 'stealing' my curation rewards".

In some cases it's because people somehow believe that a 100% voluntary self/crowdfunded upvote subscription is somehow 'socialist' and don't want any support from it.

And in some cases, it was because they thought others deserve it more.

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themarkymark (78) 6 years ago

Come to think of it I have seen that as well. Especially the bots that go around giving $0.000 votes to leach curation rewards.

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joshman (70) 6 years ago

Quick question: What is this animalcontrol shite giving you hundreds of upvotes? Maybe you have a post on it?

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themarkymark (78) 6 years ago (edited)

Animalcontrol is fulltimegeek’s bot that spams 6,000-35,000 times a day and he upvotes with his 500K+ SP.

I assure you he doesn’t give me upvotes. In fact he has been flagging all my comments and posts for the last 3-4 months because I blacklisted his spam account @proboards.

I don’t see where you see upvotes because all he does is spam and upvote it.

I have two posts a few months back that go into detail. Look for the ones with the baby as a thumbnail image.

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steevc (73) 6 years ago

It's sad to see this sort of spiteful behaviour on Steem and it does a lot to put off new users. There are certain people who do some good stuff, but I find it hard to support them when they also attack others. Even safer when these attacks are used as an excuse to take even more rewards.

You know I've done my share of flagging and had retaliation for it. That's the risk I accepted. One issue is that most people are scared to flag certain accounts as they know they could lose their own rewards by doing so. I had wondered if there could be done way to flag anonymously. There was a previous effort where people delegated to a bit that flagged a certain abuser.

Steem is far from perfect, but I still see potential. Those with the power have to decide if they want it to have a future.

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joshman (70) 6 years ago

Yeah, I remember that. Wasn't sure it was owned by him as well. So he's upvoting his own spam, so classy. I misspoke when I said he was upvoting you.

And there are people left here that still think he's justified in doing this? Wasn't this over 60 steem or something? Insane. This would be in the dictionary next to 'shitting where you eat'.

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themarkymark (78) 6 years ago

https://steemit.com/@animalcontrol/comments

You can read the entire story in these two posts:

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popcornexpress (58) 6 years ago

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apshamilton (64) 6 years ago

I have struggled to find clear guidelines as to what is an acceptable flag or not and this is a good explanation.
However for new users things need to be a bit clearer than: "for the good of the platform".

New users with significant online followings often repost their content to Steem as a way to get started and then get flagged for plagarism. @steemcleaners method of dealing with this situation is less than ideal, especially when these users have often been censored on the very platforms steemcleaners is using to verify identity.

The precise expectations for referencing sources is also not clear. If you link to an image (rather than copy it) do you need to explicitly reference as well given the reference is in the link?

Is is acceptable to downvote just because you disagree with the content? - I had thought not, but some people do it.

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grey580 (61) 6 years ago

There is no guideline.

People will literally flag you on here because they didn't like your face. Or flag you because they are in an alcoholic rage. The list is endless.

I, for one, preserve the flag for when I see things that may be illegal, spam, plagiarism, lies or scams.

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themarkymark (78) 6 years ago

Cheetah/SteemCleaners will comment a few times before flagging for duplicate content giving plenty of time to verify with them that the duplicate content is your own site. Cheetah has one job and it's very narrow, find duplicate content.

As for flagging because you disagree, while I feel you are free to use your stake as you choose, but if you say you like blue and I like black I don't feel that's a good reason to flag. If you said you liked blue and voted it for $100 and I disagreed the reward pool should be used in that fashion to that extent, I'd be comfortable flagging it.

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