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RE: Steemit Winter Update: 2017 reflection, our Vision Statement and Mission, and a look forward
Thanks for the update here @ned. You have presented a lot of information that I have seen people asking for.
I also want to say thank you for owning up to the shortcomings of the 2017 roadmap. However i am still curious on an estimated priority of the mobile app.
If there exists some base code maybe it could be made open to see if the community wanted to develop it. Couldn't hurt.
As far as the predictions for the amount of business on the Steem blockchain that news is what drives me to keep pushing forward. Steem has only just begun
Hi @netuoso, I thought the eSteem mobile app is already out there and being used. I personally am a bit more old fashioned and haven't really jumped onto the whole mobile bandwagon, but it sure is the way the internet use trend is going.
Are you referring to a different kind of mobile Steemit specific app?
P.S. Thank you @ned for keeping the community updated regarding the Steem milestones and roadmap ahead. We much appreciate it.
Best regards and full Steem ahead!
Hi, @ebargains.
The eSteem app is created by an independent company that displays the Steem blockchain in their app. It has nothing to do with Steemit Inc. or the Steemit.com website, which is another company that also provides information from the Steem blockchain.
It can be a bit tricky to keep in mind that Steemit does not equal Steem, but the point is that Steemit also wants to create their own Steemit mobile app. This if great for us users, because more choices is always a good thing (in my opinion).
Best regards from @valth
How beautiful that we have all data in public so any team could build an app!
Yeah, that is amazing! We could keep the Steem blockchain going even if Steemit Inc. goes bankrupt or something else happens. Everyone who wants to create and use the blockchain.
eSteem is ok, but has never been working well for me. I found that once I browsed out of my feed (the ones I follow), I'd never get back....
Agreed, new app will come out soon for iOS and Android, stay tuned!
I think in Steemfest 2, it was revealed that Steemit wants to have their own mobile app.
I find it VERY interesting, that @ned and @steemitblog did not loose a single word about the current bandwidth problem, new users are experiencing on this platform. A solution for this is much needed! People can not even claim their rewards sometimes ...
In my opinion the main focus should lie on HF20 in order to improve the sign up process. We still have people who are waiting weeks for their confirmation email. And for the real good experience when starting on Steemit you may want to solve the current bandwidth problem too?!
The rest is hot air. Sorry.
I mean the communication and even the work done in summer and fall 2017 was great. I had great confidence in Steemit back then. But shortly after it became very very quiet. "Promised" and expected features were not delivered. But as it was written above, better not promise too much within a certain time-frame, because importance of development can change. I can understand that and I´m with you if you say: "we are not going to release it until we are satisfied that it meets our quality standards." Better make it right once, before you release a crappy product.
Blessed are to those who have enough bandwidth to not only write a comment but also post it to the blockchain. That´s real UE!
Yeah, the Steem on-boarding and account creation process has to be revamped and improved. Waiting a week to get a confirmation e-mail to create an account is really archaic and hurts Steem's image as a modern blockchain based social media (and more) platform.
Nice voting trail :D
It's truly amazing how great the transparency system is on Steemit and how it makes the whole platform more win-win. Since it creates more real trust. And as you say people are incentivized to behave well since they have a reputation score they want to keep up! This creates way less spam and creates an overall better user experience. We have so much free time these days and taking 10 minutes to care about someone else by producing some value to them will be so rewarding for both sides! I want to see Steemit be the best company in the world when it comes to transparency and communication!
I just want to say that the registration question is too disappointing. Waiting for a long time, so I support changing the registration process.
Yeah especially if it wants to compete with other social media sites. To attract more people it needs to be easy to join.
They don't need to compete with other social media platforms... People will naturally come on Steemit.
We try to compare to other platforms but it is not comparable yet.
Absolutely agree!
Account creation and bandwidth are 2 pain in the ass problems for new steemians.
Ive already come to terms with the fact that i cant do anythingon steem between 4 am and noon because i literally can only stare atthe recharge bar on steemd and wait. But new users may not understand or be as patient as i am.
Patience is the key!
If you would have been from #deutsch Community I or someone else would have delegated some sp to you. Maybe there someone out there who does it for Canadians 😀
And of course you shouldn't power down all the way..
Good luck 👌
Im okay, steemit helps with my depression so im here for the longhul my daughter is about to be born anyday. I plan on blogging her birthday.be recorded on the steemit blockchain forever and i can update everybody on her development. Im a cryptodad!
This is why I filed with my state's attorney generals office to have them look into it. I made that decision after myself being thrown off line with a bandwidth problem and looking the issue over. What I found were people taking anywhere from powering up fifty bucks worth to get five minutes of bandwidth to people taking hundreds and waiting hours still to get back online. There is absolutely no other issue more pressing then fixing this one because you can't sell a product that you can't deliver, that about as realistic as it gets. I've read blog after blog of promised fixes going back for quite a while yet nothing gets done. They claim it's to control spam but spam isn't being controlled. Then they say it's a virus. Who knows what the problem really is but the bigger problem facing them is that you have to state to people right up front of any business venture what the price is going to be to engage, how much money gets you what amount of steam and then the bigger question to me is why do I even have to give up my steam to stay on the platform...why can't that be my accumulated power I earned by being on the platform to do with what I want to do with it. Yesterday I was out of bandwidth when I got on and today to so my next blog was going to be about people writing their attorney generals because short of that I don't see any other way this is going to get solved. It's just basic simple rational thought that you cannot sell a product that you cannot deliver, and you cannot sell a product blindside....you get this much product for this price and that has to also be known upfront. This is a great idea they have but it doesn't allow them to break the law(s). You make money by posting and responding but if you can't respond well....?
Power up the steem you got 10 days ago from the SWC! Listen, you might complain, but it is how it is. Power up your winnings until you don't have any more bandwidth problem. You literally have to earn your space in these blocks ;p
Well said. A trial/free-demo isn't a product. It's a sample. Plus I had no troubles with bandwidth ever. It's recommended to keep 50SP. Until you have that 50SP you have no product. Nobody should expect that for free as that would be a commie free lunch which would basically ruin the platform and we'd have to migrate to YOYOW/TRON or something on EOS.
No sir that's not how it is....I can't count how many people did exactly that and still waited hours to get back online. If they had waited they'd got back on for free. There's a deeper problem here. If you go into a store to buy something you get something in return: the merchandise. If they are out of stock you get a rain check and/or you sign contract/paperwork that says they guarantee to give you said product in certain amount of time at said price. They can't just take your money and leave you stranded and that's what's happening. They also have to tell you what the price is for the amount being given or the product traded, like a scale. I filed on Family Video one year because they rented us a controller with a attached power pack, it was rented as a whole, we returned it a day late and they separated the controller from the power pack and charged us separately, sure it was buck but hey they can't do that without detailing the details. If people could do that you could go rent a rug cleaner and return it late and they could charge you separate for each piece. Details are important in consumer laws. The promise is that I get to earn money for me not to feed the system to keep it afloat, that's a ponzi, that's the little guy at the bottom keeping the top afloat and that is also illegal. I have no desire without justification/explanation/knowledge/understanding of why I have to make people at the top richer with money they said I could earn and power they said would make me more powerful not the top, me. So until some contract / understanding comes along it is up to them not me to keep their word.
I'm not sure you understand the premise of this platform at all. I think you should read the bluepaper. And whoever guaranteed you "free money" without investment had no clue what they were talking about either.
I don't think you understand the premise of selling product you can't deliver. I am not talking about myself per se, I wouldn't be stupid enough to spend fifty bucks to get five minutes worth of bandwidth let alone three hundred and hours later still be waiting for bandwidth, I am all about free and I have several other blogs i can go participate on while I wait. Then the guy who spent three hundred on bandwidth wakes up the next morning and he's out of bandwidth again. Wow, three hundred dollars for less than a day? Not even half a day? Really? Nope. There's something seriously wrong with that and if Steemit doesn't tell people up front what the cost are to participate in the site there's something wrong with that also, and at that price and the pennies being made by beginners most people would opt not to participate....it's like any investment you have to be informed of the risk, people can't just walk around and take advantage of people because someone can do a good talk, I am not saying that's what is going on but it's serious enough and cost people enough that those risk have to come forward so people can make informed decisions about the amount of time they want to invest in such a project and is it really worth it. It's as simple as black and white, you cannot sell a product that you cannot deliver especially if the delivery of that product is what you need to keep producing a return on your investment.
If I've got it correctly, the bandwidth is a pooled resource and it fluxuates (not dissappears, like some country's internet subscriptions seem to run out of bandwidth.)and even the amount of bandwidth in the higher powered accounts fluxuates, it just does not drop down as low as a new account which has not invested their own money into the platform to get started. Getting started anywhere isn't usually free...
That said, I definitely feel it impedes progress to make it so difficult to acheive bandwidth... and also it would be a good idea to tell people before signup, (like make it obvious somewhere) that it will take a while to earn enough (SP) bandwidth for this to be a viable platform unless they invest in the platform out of pocket. Finding it out afterwards is a bit of a dissappointment and I feel that is what is affecting many people's attitude off the bat.
Anything you want to succeed at is likely going to take time, and work. Having no bandwith or going into the negatives by the hundreds as soon as you are ready to make that first daytime post is discouraging. Some people quit, some people push through. That's how life is.
However, the bandwith charges back up as the usage goes down in the 'off' hours, so they are not taking your money for a little bit of bandwith time that runs out for good which is how it seems you understand it. The more powerful accounts do get priority usage because they have invested more.
I had a little help because I was involved in a community of helpful people when I arrived at Steemit, so I was able to work my ass off to get a little SP so I won't have as many issues. For that I am thankful... And I think joining a community, looking to be a contributing member of that community and make friends would be helpful to you, rather than going to "the man" LOL for the love of GAWD. SMH, that's a problem in our world, so many trained to beLIEve that the govt has to fix our problems and be our heros. We need to be our own heros and stop running to the govt. Something people are not taught in schools. Go out and make friends, interact with people. No one ever said life was going to be easy. And it certainly won't be as long as people believe the govts have the people's best interests in mind. Just sharing my thoughts. Best, @erinn
Well I don't share your enthusiasm for letting people walk all over you and people will if given the chance, there's no such thing as universal trust and honor. I do appreciate your response, I agree they should tell people up wrong what the potential cost involved can be.
Hey flurgx,
First thank you Ned and Team.
Nice point about difficulties in sign process... I know some people they are waiting more than 12 days now... Perhaps you just have to be a bit patient. We got used to things going quickly, but building something big is taking some undefined time.
About bandwidth... My thought is maybe they are doing it for a reason - limited bandwidth - to avoid to fall while success is coming fast. Sometimes retaining the development is a good thing too. I am pretty sure they will improve this.
They might not tell that they are not going to release before quality standards matches... They just might not know when their baby will make its own first step... Every day they are learning, as I learn too using Steemit.
I didn't read all comments yet but my idea is about SERVICES on Steemit. Maybe someone else will discuss this topic...
How can we organize all covered topics in comments?
@ned - do you have an algorithm to classify information? I think something like "Building blocks" strategy to get the most of all these comments will be useful. We used this classification in the company where I was an intern during my GAP year. There I also discovered this book.
I have an electronic version of this book, but due to copyright, I can't share it here on Steemit... Would be great if I could sell it here and a part of the price would be in the author reward pool.
Will continue to read other comments. The night is gonna be long... :)
Thank's for reading me ;)
Just a small investment of SP will increase your bandwidth enough to comment and post all day long! Actually I thought that was intentional to encourage people to buy in.. Great idea in my opinion!
exactly, tell them to invest like i did.
That could be one way of seeing it. But I´m a friend of non-capitalistic structures. In capitalism you can only participate if you have a budget.
A small investment of how many SP do you think is enough? 20-25? That´s currently 80-100$ .. for some this is not a small investment at all .. And actually I think you need at least 40-50 SP
However I think Steemit should be accessible for everyone all the time .. and yes it is, partly ... It should be fully, all the time imo, without barrier called bandwidth .. Do you want people to stay on this platform because they have a good experience or to invest a little bit of money in order to participate? ... They´ll invest eventually if they have a good experience imo ..
I luckily had a very good experience from the beginning :) that´s why i´m here and that´s why i invested
It's either require a small investment to participate in any meaningful manner or put up with endless spam. People are more likely to invest energy and time (make an attempt to offer value) if they're required to invest a little money.
Without anything to lose, there are essentially no risks that come with spamming the network. With something to lose, that money can go to waste if you get yourself flagged into a negative rep, making it less likely to happen.
Every action on the platform requires bw
Follow, unfollow, Comment, vote, everything
This isnt about spaming. Its about user experience and capitalism (if you want people to invest before they can enjoy steemit in its full potential)
It is a big problem to fight with spam. Above all because it hurts people who work hard making quality content and due to the lack of enough whales to support them, they go unnoticed. I encourage them to help create more whales that support to people and fight spam. You are doing a great job producing reports and useful content for everyone. Thanks for watching and making Steemit a healthy community.
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The "current bandwidth problem" is up to witnesses, not Steemit Inc. Witnesses can publish a higher block size to alleviate the issue at any time. For it's part, Steemit Inc. is doing its best to delegate SP to users running out of bandwidth.
Besides, as others point out, the solution is simple - power up some SP. Of course, it's a very poor experience for new users.
I just want to say that registration problems are so damn disappointing, waiting a long time
Go4 #MoreThanJustIT ?
I'm pretty new on here, so not 100% clear on the issue with bandwidth. From what I can ascertain reading your comment and others in this thread, it sounds like if you just start with the 15 SP that's delegated when you first create an account, you somehow run out of enough SP to participate on the platform at some point. Is that correct?
I've not even been on here 2 weeks yet, and I actually did add $100 of STEEM that I powered up within just a few days of joining, so perhaps I would have encountered this problem had I not done that. As it is, I see on steemworld that I have about 75% of my voting power available right now, not really having done much upvoting today (a couple articles and maybe 3 comments). It says I'll be at 100% voting power in another 30 hours. I assume that means if I don't upvote anything else.
When I do upvote these last few days, I see that I either add .01 to someone or the vote counts but the amount given to them doesn't change at all. If I keep upvoting while my % voting power is low, will I eventually not be able to even post?
I'm sure this sounds like a very novice question, but yeah, total novice here. I have been reinvesting all my earnings in steem power in addition to the $100 I initially put in, but I'm wondering if I'll still run into problems before long. It's already a drag seeing a notice that I need to wait as much as 50 hours before I have my full SP again. I'm also wondering for some folks I'm planning to introduce to Steemit soon, who I doubt will be able to afford to invest anything in STEEM to get started, only reinvest earnings.
Does the amount of delegated SP at the start of an account not really set someone up to be able to stay on the platform if they never buy STEEM, only reinvest earnings by powering up? Is it just a matter of upvoting less often within a given day? Thanks in advance if you can take the time to answer this.
What do you think will happen when @dan makes a competitor of steem on the eos blockchain?
It took years from fanboy dreams to real product serving real-life uses.
We will see.
For now one shouldn't compete with someone promises. Promises are too cheap compared with real product.
We welcome competition in the space. We're lonely :( ;)
Nice!
That's exactly what i wanted to say, talking about owning up to your mistakes. We look forward to a better community in 2018. I'm hoping the mobile app gets created quick enough.
I was hoping for that too, to help speed up the proccess. I want the mobile app out ASAP! I still love steemit! They answered almost all my questions. A+ to Steemit.
JRcrypto
☆Thanks for the update here You have presented a lot of information that I have seen people asking for.
☆If there exists some base code maybe it could be made open to see if the community wanted to develop it. Couldn't hurt.
☆As far as the predictions for the amount of business on the Steem blockchain that news is what drives me to keep pushing forward. Steem has only just begun
@netuoso I agree with your points and I definitely believe this is just the beginning of steemit and our road map to success is beginning. I believe with our two great developers. I believe in @ned and @dan and I believe with these two great minds we will definitely have the best success and I just love steemit in general and this update excites me. Even though 2017 was a rougher year 2018 is off to an amazing start thanks @ned and @dan for developing this amazing platform.
this is the post, here is the development of the page I like to be here in your community, feel like a small fish that does not know where to go, thank you very much for your comments, I read them and learned many things for myself useful. thanks friends
Though I'm still quite new here, I'll have to say that the time taken to get your password delivered is the greatest turnoff here and has to be worked on. Asides that I'm quite excited about joining this platform and I look forward to contributing positively to it.
@netuoso, I've seen accounts that do not follow the steemit rules, is there any sanction for him ? how do we step to tell him ?