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in #steemit7 years ago (edited)

10 months I am on Steemit Now and what a heck of a ride it has been.  Like 99% of other users I started here with nothing except a little delegation from Steemit Inc, just enough to allow me vote and post.  When I joined the price of STEEM was above $2 and I think my vote was worth a cent.

The trending page looked okay…ish…..  The same authors were trending regularly but the difference then was that paid voting bots were not a big thing.  And posts on trending were earning really good money.  I wanted to be there.  I wanted to hit trending and get that exposure.

Although my vote was not worth much, I set my posts to Upvote so I could kick start the rewards.  My thinking was ‘social proof’.  If there were votes and a small value, maybe others will follow suit and also vote.  Blogging online is a lot about social proof.  Two blog on the same topic, one has 100 likes and the other has none, which are you going read right?

So every post I made I self-voted and in the meantime the price of STEEM went down and hit below 90 cent. The value of my vote also decreased but I continued on.

And then a little bit of magic happened. @stellabelle made a delegation to me of 20K SP.  This was massive and what’s more, I woke up one morning to it just being there.  I had no idea I was getting it and no idea what to do with it.

My first actions were to go to the Introduction tag and go on a voting bender. I had no idea how long I would have the power for so I was going to make the most of it. For weeks I spent day and night on Steemit, let my own business suffer a little, but I really needed to make the most of this.  I increased my posts so I was posting almost every day and I ensure I did a health amount of curating and commenting at the same time.

But then something just as incredible happened.  @fulltimegeek matched Stellas delegation.  OMG.  I worked harder and harder.  I was active in every channel I could be on Discord and did a massive amount of networking.  At this stage I had completely neglected my own business and by Christmas was beginning to burn out 40 – 50 hours a week is no joke.  But I could see the light.  My SP was growing, my posts were doing better and Stella had told me she would be taking back the delegation at the start of the New Year.  I was looking forward to it being gone.  I had worked so hard, I had posted so much, I had commented everywhere I could add value and I had also set up the Blockchain Business Intelligence Community.

Stella took back here delegation and although I was initially grateful to have it, I was also relived when it was gone.  I was going to get back on top of my own business and take some time off Steemit. I needed the rest. 

But @fulltimegeek didn’t take his back.  I don’t know why but I was under the impression that that would be going at the same time.  I didn’t know what do to.  I needed to focus on my own business for a while and was so burnt out from Steemit. 2 days passed 3 days passed.  I even though of contacting @fulltimegeek to ask him to take it back.

But I didn’t. Instead I went on a self-voting bender.  The price of STEEM was the highest it had been since I started here.  My vote was worth over $7 and I did something I never did before.  I began to vote on my own comments.  Fuck it, all the big fish were doing it.  I said it lasted about 8 days and then @fulltimegeek took back the delegation.

I turned Steemit off for a week. Didn’t touch it at all.  I didn’t even go into discord.  I spent a lot of time catching up on my own business and thinking about what to do next.

No one ever said anything to me about losing the delegation from @fulltimegeek or my self-voting.  No one had to.  I knew it was wrong what I had done. And although no one said anything I knew I had to rebuild trust that I had broken.

So why am I tell you all this now?  Well because I want people to know how I really feel about the practice of Self Voting.  And although my story may mean I lose the respect of some, I hope that I can gain the respect of others.  Heck this is Steemit and what I have said here, is very much food for my haters, I just hope a witch hunt does not begin in the comments, but I do expect a few.

You see I still believe in Social Proof and self-voting offers that, but only to an extent.  Steemit is not like any other blogging or social platform, and there is only so much self-voting that the community will accept.

Bidbot are also a way to gain social proof and I did not agree with them, so now I began to question my use of self-votes for the same reason.

When you start out on Steemit you start with nothing.  Self-voting is a way to help grow your account, as well as providing social proof on the post.  Personally I believe there is a cut off.  A time when you should stop self-voting.  For me the time was when I reached 5000 SP.  I though at this level SP I would been seen as more of an influencer and should myself set a good example.

But I don’t have 5000 SP yet and I have stopped voting.  When I realised how much of an influencer I was seen as, I realised it was time to stop.  I don’t think ‘do as I say and not as I do’ is a good enough attitude for an influencer on Steemit, not matter what size fish you are, Whale or Minnow.

Now I happily delegate out a lot of the little power I have.  I don’t vote on my own post or comments and I won’t be voting on my posts again in a hurry. I support people around Steemit as much as I can and I have even set up a witness server @steemcommunity with @abh12345 (shameless plug ) I do hope you will consider giving us your vote.

So if you self-vote, within reason, the truth is, I don’t see a problem. Especially when you are new and need to grow your SP.  But if you are a whale, a witness or a community leader, then it’s time to look in the mirror.

Feel like I just did a full counselling session.

STEEM ON everyone 

Paula

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I remember doing the SoG report that week and thinking, what is going on here!

Good to see this confession :)

ha ha the data king spotted it. I should have known :-)

This story is almost the same like what just happened to me @paulag. I stop self-voting at all, no matter how big my upvote worth to me. I won the price of 500 sp delegated from my friend @sagescrub for 2 weeks, but still I just hold myself to do self voting. yes I need to grow my account but what I thing is "respect must be earned from others, not from my own.

best regards

Self-Voting is an act of self-love and everyone who wants to grow here, should vote about 60% of his VP for himself. Through self-votes you grow your SP and therefore the other 40% of your votes become more meaningful over time.
It's a perfect symbol of how life works. The more you love yourself, the more love you got for others. If your vessel is empty, it helps no one.
So by all means: Please vote for yourself, so that your votes become bigger for your followers! Thank you for your report about your story here! 🙏❤️

And although my story may mean I lose the respect of some, I hope that I can gain the respect of others.

I already thought very highly of you and now that's even higher. Thanks for sharing your story on this, I didn't know you felt that way. A great contribution to the topic.

I'm firmly against self-voting but even more firmly in favour of each man doing with his vote what he will.
When I joined Steemit initially, I tried to vote only for those didn't self-vote but, needless to say, I soon ran out of people for whom to vote. I've since dismounted my high horse, relaxed my little rules and now sneak around checking people's voting behaviour on Steemreports..

what is steemreports?

A handy little tool for the modern stalker
http://www.steemreports.com/outgoing-votes-info/?account=deirdyweirdy&days=7
Just change my username for any other and you can see how benevolent people are in their voting habits.

thanks,
this is useful

I just had a look at your stats. Pretty impressive. A model steemian spreading the love. Fair play to ya.

I just got 100sp delegated by @paulag last Friday. I want to maximize it's usefulness, but still I am not sure the best way to do that.

Oh did you? That's great. You deserve it.
I try to vote for accounts with a lower rep, less SP than myself or those who try to spread the love. It doesn't earn you a lot of curation rewards as a rule though, but it does make you feel all warm and fuzzy.

I see, @deirdyweirdy. I do the same, basically. But I still take the posts' content as matter, is it okay? What is your opinion.

By the way, I made a meme last year end when I was participating in a meme contest. (I didn't win.) Then some people said that upvoting your own posts and comments is recommended. So I started upvoting my own posts and comments until about 2 weeks ago. It is not about how much I made when I do so, something just didn't feel okay.

phew if you are stalking mine then you know i'm in good shape lol.

I wouldn't dare!

I want people to "control" their own success with Steem and do whatever works for them to gain steem.
Smaller users in my opinion should self upvote more.
To this day, I upvote my own posts at 100% about one a day. I do not upvote my own comments. I try to support those who make interesting content that is out of the "norm" on steem. I upvote a lot of comments to encourage engagement.

I heard your confession, and I don't judge a bit, however, I can see why that might have upset those who delegated to you. :)

Keep showing up and find a way to earn! Try to be tolerant of others as they too are figuring out what works!

I am glad you are here.

I am sure that I well annoyed people, but look, I have to move forward and I learned a lot about myself in the process and I hope that it can be seen for what it was and how much I have given back since.

I think how you self vote is rather ethical and by no means overboard.

I love this
"Try to be tolerant of others as they too are figuring out what works!"
thank you

Smaller users in my opinion should self upvote more.

I agree in that these small votes are not really hurting the reward pool, but I also think there is a better option, for 2 reasons.

The up-voting of good comments on popular blogs (in your interest area) I think is a better way for minnows (and dolphins at times) to spend their precious 5 cents. If you pick the right comment, give a good reply and a vote, at the right time (usually before post author), then you have 2 chances for this comment to be seen and up-voted by someone who can probably smash a weeks worth of self-votes with their 1-5%.

The second reason is the greater chance of these people coming to check out what you are doing on your own blog. If your recent stuff is decent and in the same area, you might get another up-vote, and maybe even a follow.

This is what I suggest when asked anyway, and I've had plenty of minnows come back to me excited about it working out for them - in fact, I still do some of this myself :)

Cheers!

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I’ve been all over the map on this. Currently self-voting on posts but not on comments. About 20% of my SP delegated to @smartsteem for an income stream, about 40% delegated “quasi-altruistically”, the remaining 40% being used for voting. Not sure I’ve found the right balance yet.

If you are an active user here you should delegate 0 vests and use your own stake to upvote yourself, downvote scammers, spammers, other abusers and if you still have any time left, then try to reward unrewarded good content.

If you think you have enough time or ability to do all of this with your available stake you are wrong, because even if you had your entire stake at your disposal now and it was doubled,you would have still
found yourself helpless if you tried to fight a bad whale or two.
Philanthropy should be the responsibility of the rich if anyone's.
Particularly of the undeservedly rich, A.K.A. "the whales".

I guess we’re going to have to agree to disagree.

downvote scammers, spammers, other abusers

Like people who use bots to upvote their own comments? 😏

That’s the issue right there. What’s acceptable to some is abuse to others.

Interpret it however you want.
The main idea is that if you are active then you can benefit the most out of your stake by using it to achieve your goals.
If you are inactive or lack time, you may profit by delegating your stake for a rent.
I am not at all in the know about STEEM rent prices, but all other things being equal there are bot owners far more deserving than smartsteem/smartmarket to delegate STEEM to.
But remember that I wrote all other things being equal, and I do not know if they are equal.
It should be discussed/negotiated with them.

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This is commonly refered to as greed

This is commonly referred to as hypocrisy.

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its so hard to find the right balance. I have to weigh up how much delegation I give out free v's keep for curating...

hooray for self voting . . .LOL

I am still relatively new and have very little understanding of this crossroads that you are describing. I joined Steemit at the end of January and only hear stories of the December highs. No idea what that is like...

My upvote only recently started to show any value and I'm now at $0.03. I have never had a significant payout and I have never withdrawn any money from Steemit.

The value system that says it is wrong to self-vote when the system invites it and goes as far as providing an easy way to automate it, baffles me. I am a fan of my own writing. I like what I have to say and how I say it. And I want the world to know that I have such discerning taste... (tongue-in-cheek)

I am open to being convinced.

if you think your content has value and you want to upvote it, then that is your right on steemit. There is no written rules on what is right and wrong.

Hi @paulag. Please ignore me if this is a bother. Your post engaged me and got me thinking.

I am new at this and at this level, it really doesn't matter who I upvote. My impact is miniature. Plus I do this in my free time and I'm building slowly. But somewhere in the future, I would want to earn enough from this to make it possible to say my Steemit income is covering all the coffee I drink in a month or a holiday or something.

My thinking thus far was that when my upvote got to the place where it had value, I would upvote myself. This would guarantee an income that I could include in my budget.

You have challenged my thinking on this. Thank you, I think... :-)

Do you see what I did there? :-)