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RE: Trying to Get Beyond Monetary Rewards
It is certainly an interesting time for Steemit. It has the chance to be big, but we need to be wary of putting people off. There have to be incentives to stick around. It is hard to see why people should want to hold a lot of SP unless they just enjoy wielding power. I don't earn much from curating with my few thousand. I'm not totally clear on what difference HF17 will make, but I'm sticking around to see what happens.
Agreed.
There are already enough impediments to getting people onboard, let alone retaining them, without some of the 'unnecessary' social issues. It's hard to make the pitch around the community during enflamed fights.
Like you said about holding SP, some may just enjoy having the influence, at least for a while. I'd have to suspect at some point it would need a return on their money whether through curation, increased steem price or some other method. But I'm not an investor myself so it's hard for me to say I fully understand their viewpoint.
I had tried the curation game in the past, usually getting 4-6 steem a week. It was fun for a while just to try it out, but eventually I preferred to just vote on what I wanted, typically voting on stuff that already had a payout enjoying seeing it tick up more on their earnings.
Some of the HF17 changes I'm curious to see the effect of include:
I know there are other things, but those are the bigger ones I'm eager to see the effects of.
Thank you for the bullet points, I personally cannot wait to see how the 7 day payout period will play out, which makes me assume that comments will also receive the same time frame.
The other development that will be interesting to watch is no nesting limit, which seems like a quick stitch instead of a thoughtful attempt at fixing comment nesting.
Another problem that you haven't touched on is bots like iflagtrash, blacklist, and probably others that are in the works which will without argument fall in the category of assholes and trash, trolls and anonymous censoring/muting/hiding agendas that will continue to hurt the community, and these undoubtedly require a whale effort to counter and are probably supported by whale pockets, not just outright support for those bots by a certain unnamed whale. Many have been affected by these and I think we cannot forget that they are awful all around, as much as "everything has value" can be argued it's obviously abuse regardless of the "testing the system" argument.
Thank you for this post, I understand you started off from advertising and went into multiple aspects but I don't think it's a rant, especially if you re title it.
Yep, comments will be paid exactly 7 days from the post's posting time. I'm not positive if posts themselves can have time extended like they currently do on the first payout.
I do expect to see the UI not handle the unlimited nesting well when they get deep. But even if not ideal, I'd prefer it this way than trying to track down what comment replied to what. I'd expect there to be a push to clean the UI a bit after seeing what it does on this one.
Good point on the downvoting bots. There are some others that had been doing that as well (maybe still going, I quite following after a while) that ended up prompting changes to the notification showing flag systems. Overall, while I understand the annoyance and detriment these can have to new users, most are little more than a nuisance, having little SP. Iflagtrash however is a bit larger account in comparison, where it can actually have more influence on payouts.
I will say on these downvote bots is that a big piece of frustration is most users (often) not being given an idea of why they are being flagged, at least explicitly. Even though I'm sure there is some reason (since most people would by default take a chunk of steem just to devote to flagging,) it doesn't always fix the issue by doing it this way. However, I have seen 'upvote' bots created in the past to directly offset certain downvote bots.
While ideally we could use our words instead of flags in scenarios like these, often it's either an emotional response from the bot owner or they are fed up after long strings of arguments. However, overall I can't claim to know the criteria being used to be put on these downvote bot lists. Really though in my eyes, iflagtrash would be the only one with a 'meaningful' effect to be concerned with.
I tried a bit to retitle it, but after a while, I really just wanted to finally hit submit. Lol. But I'm still trying to think of replacement for what I've got, sure I'll edit it once one comes to mind.