Why the tiny votes?

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In the past I did not vote my own comments and threads because I considered it ludicrous.
Then, I kept not doing so, to allow and encourage people curation rewards and to get a chance at gentelbot and thing-2.
Then, after I learned the implications of a higher SBD and experienced over 6 months of cheapery with the exception of a generous vote by idealist (I had a few more since then), and after I mastered bidbotry I decided fuck upvotes by other people.
It is not worth it and never was.
It might had been worth it before I joined, but not in the last 12 months.

Well you have forfeited a vote from me by buying votes. I could even be tempted to flag this comment to bring the value down, but I'll resist, this time. You may be losing out on other votes by doing this and it's a long, slow way to build your sp

buying votes from bots makes you lose money, every bid.

the vote you buy gets eaten up during payout

You got a 35.65% upvote from @luckyvotes courtesy of @stimialiti!

@youtake pulls you up ! This vote was sent to you by @stimialiti!

You got a 24.40% upvote from @steembloggers courtesy of @stimialiti!

@steevc those are not all minnows... one I looked up (I only looked up one lol) is worth over 1.5 million...that my friend is not a minnow..

Then I saw the name of another one that is maybe a minnow I did not look but I am happy when they upvote me.

So maybe the question would be, "Why so tiny the upvotes?" I think the answer is a lot of people are subscribed to vote bots.

resteemed in case someone has question are comments...btw I expect minnows to upvote my post if they comment no matter how little their vote is worth. :)

I know pharesim is a whale, but most of the rest are small. I expect a whale to give small votes. There are all sorts of strategies going on here. I ain't worry too much about what I will get for voting. You need a lot of sp to make much from curation. Making connections does you more good when you start off

I think I can give some insight as to why people give such small upvotes. I used to do this. At the time I wanted to give upvotes to quality submissions in introduceyourself. I wanted to give as many upvotes as possible so I gave small percentages. I did not realize that the help I was giving was so insignificant, even to a new person.

I've nothing against sincere voting, but when it comes in a flood like this I have to suspect there's automation involved.

Regardless, I think the decision to do so comes from the same faulty logic: They think the best way to have the most impact is to make many infinitesimal upvotes. If you want to use automation then you can pick people who consistently do well and allocate a larger percent to them.

it is, they come at exactly the same time, which also pushes away real curators

What you need to understand though is that minnows are already overwhelmed by Steem information in their first month. Most come from other user friendly platforms and just try to make some money.

By the time they understand they should not comment like the examples you posted, some of them will already have been flagged to oblivion, cuz this is steemit.

I think it might get better, but there is also the non English speakers that are trying to squeeze some cents here & there too by dropping copy pasted comments over and over.

On the other hand, the people that makes it big on steemit are the one that participate actively on and out the platform, not the vote beggars.

So heh. Hope they learn before it's too late for them.

I've tried to guide some of them to do better. We need more active users. A lot of people make a bad start and trash their accounts

As far as the comment spam, you might want to check out steemplus addon for chrome/firefox. It lets you designate people as 'Human,' 'Bot,' 'Spammer.'
Hypothetically flagging people in this sincerity database will clue other people in that this person probably sends out 1,000 a day so don't bother.
Picture related,

I would assume that the small votes are a curation trail.
The most I've ever made off curation for a day was 0.14SP, i was pretty happy :D
But if someone follows multiple trails they may be downscaling their vote proportional to the leaders vote in weird ways so that could explain some microvotes that don't really make sense. Idk how reputation works, does it at least give you a small boost there?
Edit: Song for the bots, https://soundcloud.com/nick_1-1/ghost-in-the-shell-stand-alone-complex-ost-scott-matthew-be-human

I use Steem Plus. It thinks I'm 99% human :) This is a good way to spot bots and spam quickly

I suggest to change nice post to nice pizza at least. Lower chance being ignored.

#nicepizza

But what flavour pizza?

Just pizza. It's the universal non triggering term

My guess is that the three comments above (since moved down the list) didn’t read your post. I’m not sure what is up with the 0.8% upvotes. As a 56, I’m happy to get any upvotes, but I’m not sure what their strategy is. Seems like spreading the peanut butter a little too thin.

im guessing .001 isnt profitable unless you got 125 bots. 125 times .001 is profitable. and they dont care if it offends post authors.

As @schrosct mentions, these are likely to be a curation trail. I get a stream of these votes from @thesteemengine when I'm mentioned in their newsletter. I to have had the option to subscribe to this and be one of those small voters although I havent done it yet.

They recommend you use around 1% vote as there may be many articles to vote up, this is to stop your VP from draining too much. If they were immediately followed by a whale vote, then that's probably what this is.

Hi Steve - all the little votes I believe are part of the Curie curation trail.

You got a 'mini-Curie' - most of the voting power for the trail comes from @hendrikdegrote

I did wonder. All those tiny votes probably only add up to a few cents and I just don't see that they will make anything from it as the curation rewards will be less than 0.001. I've not looked into these things too much as I prefer the human touch. I was using some trails, but I dropped them as they were using my vote on posts I wouldn't support.

That is why I dropped using curation trails, they upvote some stuff that I would not normally vote on also. I like to vote on a post and then leave a comment or ask a question. Hopefully, it will start a conversation in the comment section among some of the commenters. I think it is more about the conversation than anything and in the end that will get you more upvotes as you go along on your Steemit journey.

Yes I think that will be the case. Particularly on these mini-Curies.

I'm still doing my own Upvote and I love every one of it, because I will have to read the post before I vote and that have given me so much satisfactions of reading good posts!

Resteeming this as well! Thanks @steevc