Yikes man. I think this is more scary and controlling than cool and beneficial. Sounds like Big Brother to me. If I don't want to take my meds one day and I'm on one of the trackers, can they call CPS to come take my kids away? Or send me to jail? Just because my doctor thinks I should be taking whatever it is. If I get a second opinion and they don't agree with the first doctor, but I'm being told I have to be on the tracker, what happens then? There are ways around actually taking it too if all it has to do is come into contact with stomach acid - throw up on the pill, have someone else take it, give it to your dog. Man, this is sounding better and better the more I think about it. ;) Yikes.
It's voluntary - patients can choose to take part or not, it is just a way of trying to address a clear problem. For example if a patient is very forgetful or disorganized - which is often the case with mental health - then this could send reminders and help them to manage their illness better
I am now aware of doctors forcing patients to take specific medications. But if your doctor prescribes something and you don't want to take it, then you need to go and talk to your doctor. I don't think this will change anything in that scenario ;-)
The only scenario I can see where it may be used in a forceful way is in a criminal setting
But to your general point, I think that there are concerns over data privacy and so on - it's very early still
I know people who have had CPS called just for asking for a second opinion because it delayed treatment for their child. I also know of cases where the parents decided to look for an alternative cancer fighting medication instead of giving their child chemo and the child was taken away because the "doctor always knows best, the parent doesn't have the child's best interest at heart." Even the little boy recently whose doctors decided he would die at the hospital (in England) while the parents had found alternative treatments in the US. The hospital wouldn't release him for treatment. You see, doctors, hospital, governments always know what is best and will do anything to make you do it. Yikes. The less power/control they have, the better. This might be voluntary now, but when will it be massed produced and rolled out for everyone and all pills? Just sharing my thoughts.
Me too! All of this tends to get very emotive and nobody wins these debates, so I tend to avoid them...
But just to touch on the two examples you cite
Knowing nothing about the first - looking for alternative treatment options is great if they exist, but if parents are refusing proven treatments in order to try unproven ones then that gets pretty complicated. Science may not be perfect and we have a lot to learn, but it's the best we have...
For the second, the case of the little boy in the UK is incredibly sad, made all the sadder by the level and nature of the press coverage in the UK and US. The article linked below is well worth a read, in particular the passage about the US professor and his 'treatment'
The thing with Charlie is they didn't even give the treatment a chance to work - whether it did or not - they decided for his parents that he would die at the hospital. He couldn't even be taken home to die. Sad. Yes, media coverage was crazy for all of that and I don't even live in the US! It was all over my fb and msn news. I can't imagine what the TV news was saying (I always have steered clear of that though)! Thanks for the link to the article. Yes, dealing with stuff like this is always emotional and I tend to now be more conservative than I may have been in the past. This is a short 4 minute clip a friend shared on fb today that I thought was applicable in some ways to our discussion. :) https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/887406 "Parental Authority Should Be Overridden for a Sick Child" - He says at the end that parents whose kids die because they did something other than the prescribed route should be prosecuted. Not spend time in jail but just set a precedence by being prosecuted and receive community service. So he is saying parents should not be allowed to make medical decisions for their kids, but where does that stop? Anyway, the technology in this pill is pretty amazing - it just freaks me out at the same time. ;)
The thing with Charlie is that - from everything I have read - there never was a chance. Of course he deserved every chance to live, but this was not a chance - the doctor that got involved in this despite having never seen him or his scans admitted as much. His amazing new ‘treatment’ had never even been tested on an animal before, never mind a human. But he thought it might be a treatment option for children in the future. And then the press picked it up, and then the Pope and Donald Trump and every other idiot looking for some publicity. And they gave the parents false hope - the parents rightly did everything they could to save their child, but they were surrounded by people who, just perhaps, had other motives. That is what is most sad.
The link you sent wouldn’t open - can you re-send.
Here is my two cents on parental authority:
I wrote a post a few weeks ago on a new treatment - CAR-T therapy - for leukaemia. This treatment is working in many children that would otherwise die. Imagine two sets of parents with children eligible for this treatment
Parents 1 says that they refuse the treatment because they want to try unproven alternative therapies - here, in my opinion, there needs to be an intervention. There should be no parental authority whatsoever here.
Parents 2 say that they accept the treatment, even though they would prefer to use alternate therapies. They ask if they can use the alternative therapies as well. This sounds ideal to me
In short - my view, which is just my view, is that parental authority should absolutely be overridden if what the parents are trying to do is clearly (in as much as we scientifically know right now) not in the best interests of their child
We will have to agree to disagree on this point. :) I checked the link and sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. Maybe if you refresh or search for the video Perspective > Ethics: Today's Hot Topics for Nov. 1, but it sounds like you do believe what the doctor says and that is where we disagree.
Very interesting post @holbein81. I have mixed feelings about it, but honestly think that this is the tip of the iceburg and healthcare will be better for it. Being a diabetic and a cardiac patient, I can see definite benefits. But it is scary, too! Upvoted, resteemed and made sure that I was following you @holbein81.
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It has been almost ten years since my children were stolen by the U.S. government. I have attempt to comprehend the world for the last six after I had no hope of fighting the system, and my ex's parents paying and lying all the way to the signed adoption papers.
I know this may not have anything to do with this. But I ask you this, the pharmaceutical companies are not really governed. Most of the pills are horrible for you, the shots given at birth are bad and completely manipulate any child to grow mentally properly. I had to surrender many things that I liked and loved to do and thought were okay to be able to speak like one does about these people.
If the government can steal my children along with countless others, you think that they are worried about your health. The skin only requires one protein to remain healthy and you will find 95% of the food does not have it and that most do not even know that this is a fact or that it exists as one.
I will not apologize for pointing out how ones are trusting ones you have never met. You are as smart and intelligent as they are, one can do all the research to know what will work and how to make it work.
The word government means "to Control Mind", now think about how long governments have existed.
We all need to take a serious step back from what we have been told...
By Everyone....
Just ones thoughts coming out.
#cof
I completely agree. Government is wanting to take over everything, including our children. I wrote a post about them taking away parental authority. It is scary and it starts with us making little concessions like allowing medical professionals to know if and when we are taking our medication...whether you volunteer for the experimental drug or not. Yikes. Thanks for the comment.
I will hip one to a perspective Change for you....
Government is wanting to take over everything, including our chlidren
See the thing is that government has Already taken everythingIncluding you.
I can say this because one has surrendered to the facts.
We were all born into this. All of Us. Period.
This is the tip of effects one is seeing with things like this pill it is not even close to the root cause or source of the continuation of this dysfunction and psychosis that the Most of the inhabitants here is completely under.
I say the word under for a very special reason because, being under- something like -standing. Puts humans on unequal terms from the moment you choose to even say the word understand. I will never stand under insanity which is what our world is powered on. Which Means we all start there first not sane first. So to get Sane One must accept that ones self was brain washed just like everyone you have ever met.
Hope this was not to much over the top. I am merely pointing out ones logic to the world and oneself. How do you fix a problem when ones do not even know that in every sentence ones make you do not accept the problem for what it Is, which is by design to keep ones thinking that it is, "Going to Happen" so ones fail to see this has "Already Happened". Well before both of us were ever Alive.
I don't know what the Government's agenda is, it's not my business
My post was about an interesting new technology that has been developed by a company and which will benefit patients, and of course will earn the company more money
That's about it from my perspective. I appreciate that others will read lots more into it - whether there is more to it or not I don't know, although I suspect not...
Thanks for commenting
Also just want to say that I'm sorry to hear you no longer have your children with you. I am a new father and can't really comprehend what that must be like
The word government means "to control mind" if one finds it not ones business then one also is choosing that your mind is also not of your own business.
What I said about the word is a fact along with the perspective that follows it.
Neither what you said, nor the perspective that follows, are facts. You may think they are, that does not make them so.
The origins of the word government is subject to quite some debate. It seems clear that the first part comes from 'gubernare', meaning to control. The origin of the 'ment' part is not so clear, although of course you will find countless conspiracy-minded websites which take your view.
Even if you are correct on the origin, then the logical next step for your argument is that someone has to believe that the government (which one are you referring to by the way?) is trying to control everyone's minds. You may believe that, I don't.
Even if your views on 1 and 2 turn out to be correct then to convince me you would need some actual proof that the government (which one?) has the ability to control my mind and is actually doing it. You have no proof, just theories.
Yikes man. I think this is more scary and controlling than cool and beneficial. Sounds like Big Brother to me. If I don't want to take my meds one day and I'm on one of the trackers, can they call CPS to come take my kids away? Or send me to jail? Just because my doctor thinks I should be taking whatever it is. If I get a second opinion and they don't agree with the first doctor, but I'm being told I have to be on the tracker, what happens then? There are ways around actually taking it too if all it has to do is come into contact with stomach acid - throw up on the pill, have someone else take it, give it to your dog. Man, this is sounding better and better the more I think about it. ;) Yikes.
I agree with you!
It's voluntary - patients can choose to take part or not, it is just a way of trying to address a clear problem. For example if a patient is very forgetful or disorganized - which is often the case with mental health - then this could send reminders and help them to manage their illness better
I am now aware of doctors forcing patients to take specific medications. But if your doctor prescribes something and you don't want to take it, then you need to go and talk to your doctor. I don't think this will change anything in that scenario ;-)
The only scenario I can see where it may be used in a forceful way is in a criminal setting
But to your general point, I think that there are concerns over data privacy and so on - it's very early still
Cheers
I know people who have had CPS called just for asking for a second opinion because it delayed treatment for their child. I also know of cases where the parents decided to look for an alternative cancer fighting medication instead of giving their child chemo and the child was taken away because the "doctor always knows best, the parent doesn't have the child's best interest at heart." Even the little boy recently whose doctors decided he would die at the hospital (in England) while the parents had found alternative treatments in the US. The hospital wouldn't release him for treatment. You see, doctors, hospital, governments always know what is best and will do anything to make you do it. Yikes. The less power/control they have, the better. This might be voluntary now, but when will it be massed produced and rolled out for everyone and all pills? Just sharing my thoughts.
Me too! All of this tends to get very emotive and nobody wins these debates, so I tend to avoid them...
But just to touch on the two examples you cite
Knowing nothing about the first - looking for alternative treatment options is great if they exist, but if parents are refusing proven treatments in order to try unproven ones then that gets pretty complicated. Science may not be perfect and we have a lot to learn, but it's the best we have...
For the second, the case of the little boy in the UK is incredibly sad, made all the sadder by the level and nature of the press coverage in the UK and US. The article linked below is well worth a read, in particular the passage about the US professor and his 'treatment'
http://www.melaniephillips.com/cruel-ignorant-campaign/
Cheers
The thing with Charlie is they didn't even give the treatment a chance to work - whether it did or not - they decided for his parents that he would die at the hospital. He couldn't even be taken home to die. Sad. Yes, media coverage was crazy for all of that and I don't even live in the US! It was all over my fb and msn news. I can't imagine what the TV news was saying (I always have steered clear of that though)! Thanks for the link to the article. Yes, dealing with stuff like this is always emotional and I tend to now be more conservative than I may have been in the past. This is a short 4 minute clip a friend shared on fb today that I thought was applicable in some ways to our discussion. :) https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/887406 "Parental Authority Should Be Overridden for a Sick Child" - He says at the end that parents whose kids die because they did something other than the prescribed route should be prosecuted. Not spend time in jail but just set a precedence by being prosecuted and receive community service. So he is saying parents should not be allowed to make medical decisions for their kids, but where does that stop? Anyway, the technology in this pill is pretty amazing - it just freaks me out at the same time. ;)
The thing with Charlie is that - from everything I have read - there never was a chance. Of course he deserved every chance to live, but this was not a chance - the doctor that got involved in this despite having never seen him or his scans admitted as much. His amazing new ‘treatment’ had never even been tested on an animal before, never mind a human. But he thought it might be a treatment option for children in the future. And then the press picked it up, and then the Pope and Donald Trump and every other idiot looking for some publicity. And they gave the parents false hope - the parents rightly did everything they could to save their child, but they were surrounded by people who, just perhaps, had other motives. That is what is most sad.
The link you sent wouldn’t open - can you re-send.
Here is my two cents on parental authority:
I wrote a post a few weeks ago on a new treatment - CAR-T therapy - for leukaemia. This treatment is working in many children that would otherwise die. Imagine two sets of parents with children eligible for this treatment
Parents 1 says that they refuse the treatment because they want to try unproven alternative therapies - here, in my opinion, there needs to be an intervention. There should be no parental authority whatsoever here.
Parents 2 say that they accept the treatment, even though they would prefer to use alternate therapies. They ask if they can use the alternative therapies as well. This sounds ideal to me
In short - my view, which is just my view, is that parental authority should absolutely be overridden if what the parents are trying to do is clearly (in as much as we scientifically know right now) not in the best interests of their child
Anyway, I think I am done for a Friday evening!!
Cheers
We will have to agree to disagree on this point. :) I checked the link and sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. Maybe if you refresh or search for the video Perspective > Ethics: Today's Hot Topics for Nov. 1, but it sounds like you do believe what the doctor says and that is where we disagree.
For sure we can agree to disagree - nothing wrong with that!
Have a good weekend!
Very interesting post @holbein81. I have mixed feelings about it, but honestly think that this is the tip of the iceburg and healthcare will be better for it. Being a diabetic and a cardiac patient, I can see definite benefits. But it is scary, too! Upvoted, resteemed and made sure that I was following you @holbein81.
Thanks for the comment - I think your comment is right on, I imagine that all medicine will be digital in some way in the future
Cheers
Great post @holbein81
I saw this news this morning and was amazed!
Thanks man, it sounds pretty cool and space-age, will see how it goes!
Cheers
The change sin medicine and technology are getting pretty damn amazing thanks for the info very interesting
Indeed, there is something every day coming out in the news! But a bit time-consuming to find and write about...
I would imagine find all this info must be sobrime consu
That's pretty cool to know thanks for the tips by the way :)
Hey, thanks for commenting!
What do you mean by tips?
Cheers
it is only the beginning, nice post and good content.
upvoted
The beginning of what? You mean the beginning of digital technology in healthcare?
Yes sir
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It has been almost ten years since my children were stolen by the U.S. government. I have attempt to comprehend the world for the last six after I had no hope of fighting the system, and my ex's parents paying and lying all the way to the signed adoption papers.
I know this may not have anything to do with this. But I ask you this, the pharmaceutical companies are not really governed. Most of the pills are horrible for you, the shots given at birth are bad and completely manipulate any child to grow mentally properly. I had to surrender many things that I liked and loved to do and thought were okay to be able to speak like one does about these people.
If the government can steal my children along with countless others, you think that they are worried about your health. The skin only requires one protein to remain healthy and you will find 95% of the food does not have it and that most do not even know that this is a fact or that it exists as one.
I will not apologize for pointing out how ones are trusting ones you have never met. You are as smart and intelligent as they are, one can do all the research to know what will work and how to make it work.
The word government means "to Control Mind", now think about how long governments have existed.
We all need to take a serious step back from what we have been told...
By Everyone....
Just ones thoughts coming out.
#cof
I completely agree. Government is wanting to take over everything, including our children. I wrote a post about them taking away parental authority. It is scary and it starts with us making little concessions like allowing medical professionals to know if and when we are taking our medication...whether you volunteer for the experimental drug or not. Yikes. Thanks for the comment.
I will hip one to a perspective Change for you....
See the thing is that government has Already taken everything Including you.
I can say this because one has surrendered to the facts.
We were all born into this. All of Us. Period.
This is the tip of effects one is seeing with things like this pill it is not even close to the root cause or source of the continuation of this dysfunction and psychosis that the Most of the inhabitants here is completely under.
I say the word under for a very special reason because, being under- something like -standing. Puts humans on unequal terms from the moment you choose to even say the word understand. I will never stand under insanity which is what our world is powered on. Which Means we all start there first not sane first. So to get Sane One must accept that ones self was brain washed just like everyone you have ever met.
Hope this was not to much over the top. I am merely pointing out ones logic to the world and oneself. How do you fix a problem when ones do not even know that in every sentence ones make you do not accept the problem for what it Is, which is by design to keep ones thinking that it is, "Going to Happen" so ones fail to see this has "Already Happened". Well before both of us were ever Alive.
Just seen this exchange.
I don't know what the Government's agenda is, it's not my business
My post was about an interesting new technology that has been developed by a company and which will benefit patients, and of course will earn the company more money
That's about it from my perspective. I appreciate that others will read lots more into it - whether there is more to it or not I don't know, although I suspect not...
Thanks for commenting
Also just want to say that I'm sorry to hear you no longer have your children with you. I am a new father and can't really comprehend what that must be like
Cheers
Actually it is your business, the fact you don't think so, is in of itself, makes ones point.
Ok, let me rephrase
You may think it's my business
I disagree
The word government means "to control mind" if one finds it not ones business then one also is choosing that your mind is also not of your own business.
What I said about the word is a fact along with the perspective that follows it.
Neither what you said, nor the perspective that follows, are facts. You may think they are, that does not make them so.
The origins of the word government is subject to quite some debate. It seems clear that the first part comes from 'gubernare', meaning to control. The origin of the 'ment' part is not so clear, although of course you will find countless conspiracy-minded websites which take your view.
Even if you are correct on the origin, then the logical next step for your argument is that someone has to believe that the government (which one are you referring to by the way?) is trying to control everyone's minds. You may believe that, I don't.
Even if your views on 1 and 2 turn out to be correct then to convince me you would need some actual proof that the government (which one?) has the ability to control my mind and is actually doing it. You have no proof, just theories.