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RE: SteemWorld Update / New Tool Available / Abuse Finder

in #steemworld5 years ago

Our team doesn't have enough SP, but we support it with Korean Witness.

The SP of Korea Community is not enough to solve all the abusing.
More people need to participate in Downvote or Steemit's help.

Many people are negative about Downvote. I don't think it's a good system either.
However, we need a replaceable system to remove Downvote.

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I'm very perplexed about why the korean community would downvote at all. My impression was that the proxy.token was representative for a large portion of the Korean community and they pushed hard to eliminate downvoting. So I would have expected them to shun such an action.

Maybe I was mistaken and proxy.token doesn't represent as much of the Korean community as I thought. Or maybe they just changed their mind. Or maybe this bunch of witnesses is the same as the old bunch of witnesses. They seem to be doing the same things (freezing accounts, frequently trending posts, trying to help clean up the place, etc.). Only time will tell, but up to this point, history seems to be repeating itself.

I'm very perplexed about why the korean community would downvote at all.

There is a difference between real authors and people who just post senseless comments to upvote them and sell the rewards on external markets. Most people don't like to downvote normal content and I still believe that, once the current storms are over, we won't need free downvotes anymore.

Maybe we can create a community account for fighting abuse in future, which does not belong to one person/group and can only downvote based on fixed consensus rules. The majority of stakeholders would need to agree, before the account is able to start downvoting an author. Maybe an account that can not be powered down like the @steem.dao account. It could even be paid (directly powered up) by the SPS.

Dear @steemchiller

Maybe we can create a community account for fighting abuse in future, which does not belong to one person/group and can only downvote based on fixed consensus rules.

Well, in that case why wouldn't we convince STINC to allow to blacklist particular users from being able to receive curation rewards - also based on fixed consensus rules.

I think that would be the best solution. We cannot keep downvoting same people hoping that they will not get bored abusing the pool. We would end up getting bored and tired of it first.

Cheers, Piotr

Our team and several Witness keep thinking about how to solve this.
Our team agrees with the blacklist system and believes that a community voting system like SPS is needed.

Sorry for such a late reply. I only had a chance to read your comment a moment ago

Thx for your comment. I love to see how responsive you are :))

Downvote reduces rewards, which can be confusing if someone don't understand the system.
This is a negative factor in using Steemit.

Steemit is not just for those who understand blockchain. So our team thinks we need a different solution.

Here are some interesting thoughts on the topic by @remlaps:
https://steemit.com/hive-101145/@remlaps/re-steemchiller-q91w4e

As I wrote recently:

Of course, there are various reasons for downvoting content and maybe we won't need it for normal content in future. The way the old witnesses have gone (for example, automatically downvoting people based on the used number of words in a post) clearly was not the best one.
 
I think we should mainly focus on real abuse, cases where someone posts 10 senseless comments a day and upvotes each of them 100% with a $5 vote. Of course, the same goes for trashy root posts. But I think we will never find a working measurement instrument for quality content, because people are just too different.

If interested you may read my post about the downvote topic.

thx for sharing, will check it out right away

hi @roadofrich, @moeknows

I agree with you. Perhaps you could check my comment to @jaki01 (I don't want to copy+paste it to many times) in this topic.

Yours, Piotr