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RE: 100 DAYS OF STEEM : Day 33 - Tackling Abuse on Steem - Part I - What is Abuse?

Dear @steemitblog

Source of the problem for most abuses which are happening on Steemit is the fact, that having opportunity to upvote / claim rewards is a RIGHT for everyone who sign up.

It should be a privillage.

Rights cannot be limited without huge back-clash. Privillages can be cancelled.

What I mean is quite simple:

  • users should not have a right to enjoy curation rewards as a default. every user should apply to become part of "curator program". And only those approved would be receiving curation rewards.

To make process faster, everyone without any sort of history of previous reported abuse would be approved instantly. However if being reported and manually verified - such a user can lose his privillages to enjoy curation rewards.

In current form, cheasing after abusers will be never-ending struggle.


Downvoting is not good long term solution. Abusers most of the time will end up being more patient and persistant than those flagging them and seeking "justice".

Those are my 2 cents
Piotr

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Those, who want to leave steemit, will leave steemit after 13 weeks power down. Unnecessary centralised intervention will make steem non decentralised. A quick power down can solve all problems. In Schelling point of game theory, avoiding collision becomes primary decentralized objective. A war cry will make the situation worse.

Steemit is an incorporated entity owned by Justin Sun. Has promoted decentralization in the past, but otherwise has nothing to do with it

Steem used to be a decentralized blockchain. After the successful 51% attack and evacuation of previous developers and witnesses, consensus is now controlled completely by a single actor - Justin Sun via the dev365 account. That's not speculation, anyone looking at the blockchain can see it

Essentially, steem is a social network with a token reward. That can still be a successful system, but it already has nothing to do with decentralization

I think the downvoting system is not bad, I would stick with it. Not over-complicate things so new users will not be too confused I would say.

hi @ritxi

Downvoting system has been proved not to work well - even at times when we had many large accounts trying to fight abuse.

Right now there is very few "defenders" with some solid SP left. At the same time many of those who used to protect us - are not milking steem and abusing it to the limits.

Downvoting system is not going to stop them now. We're outnumbered.

Downvoting system is not going to stop them now. We're outnumbered.

I agree with you

But you know, some abusers will be out in 13 weeks, does it really make sense to mobilize for next couple weeks? Because of a few Steem milked? It might, but it is just a point of view.

Dear @ritxi

Finally I managed to catch up with old comments.

Thanks for being always so reponsive. Have a great sunday ahead,
Yours, Piotr

users should not have a right to enjoy curation rewards as a default. every user should apply to become part of "curator program". And only those approved would be receiving curation rewards.

Tell me you don't mean it. I don't think it is a good decision to centralize curation in the hands of a few people. That will greatly undermine the essence of holding Steem Power. What's the essence of holding SP when you can't vote with it and earn some rewards from the reward pool?

And I think that curation rewards have nothing to do with fighting abuse. Instead, we could code the acceptable number of daily posts into the blockchain. Then, downvotes are needed to check ourselves, provided it is not used maliciously and there is a central authority to remedy any form of victimization.

Also, I think that @Steemitblog and Steemit Inc should empower an account to hunt for abusers and flag them appropriately. Cheers!

Hi @gandhibaba

I don't think it is a good decision to centralize curation in the hands of a few people.

What I mean is that every user should have a chance to apply to become part of "curation program" and as a default every user would be accepted.

However it would be a privillage. Not a right, which everyone would have (the way it is now).

It's easy to remove such a provillage from abusers, comparing to removing someones right to carry on with abuse.

What's the essence of holding SP when you can't vote with it and earn some rewards from the reward pool?

I agree. Perhaps you didn't fully understand my idea. Majority SP holders would still have an opportunity to upvote others. As long as they are part of curation program. If they would be reported as abusers and verified by central authority to indeed be abusing this platform - then this privillage would be removed.

And I think that curation rewards have nothing to do with fighting abuse.

Curation rewards are the way people are milking steem and hive. And if both chains will not find way to do something about it - then both chains will face extreme challenges in the future.

Steemit Inc should empower an account to hunt for abusers and flag them appropriately. Cheers!

Currently it seem that STINC is VERY against downvoting.

Yours, Piotr