RE: 100 DAYS OF STEEM : Day 33 - Tackling Abuse on Steem - Part I - What is Abuse?
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I think that their is nothing like abuse on steem. We don't need to talk over it.
The post and comments can be different from user to user. How can we decide this is abuse. Every user can have different thoughts. They can write/read anything they like. The one thing can be right for one user but same thing can be wrong for other user. Their is no way.
For post payout, Milking : For one user it may 1$, for other 10$, for third 50$, for fifth 500$, for sixth 5000$, can be anything or me it is XXXXXXXXX $. That's not the criteria to decide the abuse. They have invested so much money here to work and support others. That's not abuse.
I don't find anyone who is abusing the system till date (from 2 and half years). So, I never downvote anyone. Their may conflict of interest/thoughts like @themarkymark and me always have different thoughts, we didn't agree on any single point. But i many times agree with @steemchiller thoughts. For abuse point i didn't agree with statement that, their is abuse on steem. Here is the power of feedom. Do whatever you like:
- Post as many post as you can in one day OR don't post.
- Comment as much as you can in day OR don't comment anything.
- Upvote as much as you can in day OR don't upvote anyone including self. Like i upvoting about 40-100 upvote daily and some steemians even don't upvote anyone.
- Downvote as much as you can in day OR don't downvote anyone.
- Earn how much you can earn OR don't earn. (All author, curator, witness, interest, SPS etc.)
- Earn many SP by become a top 20 Witness OR wait for top 20 and satisfied with low SP. Is top 20 witness abuse the system by earning too much SP? The answer may be YES OR NO. Both are correct. So i think their is no abuse.
- Are earning by SPS proposals is abusing the steem plateform? The answer may be YES OR NO. Both are correct.
- Are getting SP interest on steem powerup is abuse the system? Max. steemians say NO. Because they powered up steem. But let ask those users, they not powered up steem and having much more liquid steem. They will tell you this is abuse or Not.
- SO FINALLY MY THOUGHTS, THEIR IS NO ABUSE ON STEEM. THINK IT DIFFERENTLY, YOU WILL FIND ALL IS RIGHT. ELSE YOU WILL FIND ALL THINGS WRONG, BECAUSE THOSE POSITIVE THINGS NOT HAPPENS TO YOU IS LOOKS LIKE ABUSE.
ALL IS WELL.
Sorry @mehta, when I see that it looks like abuse for me do not you think so:
Already in the past all kinds of farming (for example the self-votes executed by @haejin / @ranchorelaxo), circle voting, use of bid bots ... prevented me from investing more money into STEEM!
STEEM was always described as a community blockchain where quality content gets rewarded. Such a social media site with really great posts on trendig should attract more and more investors. However, if these potential investors get aware of the fact that STEEM is only a place for people who try to get as rich as possible as fast as possible, without to care at all about STEEM price, reputation of the platform and future development, they will look for other opportunities and invest their money.
For example when using bid bots there is never a chance that posts are selected according to their quality but only according to the money anybody is ready to pay.
If a user like @haejin would upvote many small accounts instead of upvoting himself only, he could contribute enormously to the user retention rate of the platfom. And as we all know, the value of a (social) network is measured among others by the number of its users. That means @haejin would increase the value of his own investment. But he (like many others) is completely focused on his short term profit.
Very turely said but it doesn't means this is a abuse. This require a different kind of thinking. If we grow all people together, I will grow automatically. This things has to be understand by all. But i am sorry to say that most of the user not doing so. It is not only @haejin. But again it is not an abuse.
Can You provide your reply on my comment no 1 to 9 on above? This clear me how you think an abuse.
We already talked on downvoting too much, so i didn't favor free downvoting OR say different voting power. What you say about system providing abuse facilities for top 20 witness earning others very less?
This is not entirely true, because we all share one reward pool, @mehta. If one user would reward himself so much that there are no more rewards for other people in the pool, do you think it would be a fair practise?
On top of that, there are users who create many posts automatically with a bot, upvote them and sell the weekly rewards to buy Hive tokens. This does not benefit Steem at all. It puts pressure on the price and shows to external investors that we are not able to create a fairly rewarding environment.
The rewards for all Steemians (also yours) will increase, if we get rid of those pool abusers.
Right, and for sure we won't grow if too many new users, who barely earn anything, at the same time are getting discouraged by observing this shameless kind of self-enrichment.
Brother, how you doing?
Sorry for using this off-topic comment to contact you.
I want to make a suggestion for steemworld: could you include in the visualization of rewards to come, the payments that we will get for having been added as beneficiaries in some publication of another user?
Only that. Thanks for your attention.
Thanks for your idea! It is currently not possible to retrieve those rewards directly from the blockchain via regular RPC nodes, but they should be displayed in the Coming Rewards indeed (maybe in an extra tab).
I'm currently very busy with other things, therefore it may take a while, but I will put this on my list ;)
My pleasure!
Go ahead buddy, great wrok.
I think that you don't understand my point. This is not an abuse. It looks like abuse to you but not me. They have the power to upvote and they use it and this permission is given by steem blockchain code. How this can be a abuse. That is not abuse to me.
Most of the people uses power they have. Why we have given power to them? Take power from them. The power is given by system, if system is wrong then modify/change the system.
Are you want to give power in reverse order? Those have more SP having less vote value and those have Less SP get more power. Or any new concept.
We invite you to read [The Steem White paper, page .14 for referance].
Abuse is defined by the opinions of stakeholders. You may consider something as
not an abusebut other people might think otherwise. It is a democratic-like system that is based on stake. If the majority of the stake considers that doing X should be considered as abuse, then no one can do anything about it since this is also code. The only way to influence such a decision is by buying more stake and invest to influence the consensus.The code of the blockchain also allows them to downvote. It does not matter if you do not consider X as abuse, such a definition can only be defined by a decision that will be based on consensus.
Thanks @symbionts for information.
It's amazing to see someone with a brain sticking to Steem. I wish you had voted for real witnesses and would have a stake on Hive too. You're currently voting for sham witnesses that are arbitrarily restricting multiple people's honestly purchased and earned stake. Please reconsider.
Thanks for your consideration and suggestions. What you looks now is replica of 2 and half years my experience. I have very different thoughts from general people.
Fundamentally [ignoring witness rewards] both steem and hive are POS type systems, only with an option to share rewards. The ability to share rewards has lead to the delusion called a proof of brain that the community values, but steemit inc has acted criminally and destroyed the community and it appears some users have allegedly ended moved to pure POS while others are having a tantrum that their delusion was shattered or that they aren't getting the big votes. Some old complaint, different actors
Even if it wasn't an option but a mandate to share rewards, nothing stops them from creating a second account and thus still sharing the rewards with themselves. Proof of stake is the True nature of Steem,
And even if steemit inc was to continue abusing their stolen stake only to downvote those treating it in it's purest POS form, they are discouraging people from holding and would hurt the supply and demand, and the value of the rewards. So said alleged "abuse" isn't a bad thing-at an economic level it is a positive thing. There may be one way to make everyone happy, but I'll leave the debate for hive should the need for a debate arrive.
The CCP is all about controlling people, and as Tron shows us controlling the market too with fake users. Control is not the ideal way to entice and maintain users. Letting them invest into your projects, let them explore new uses for it, let them criticize positively or negatively about your products, and enhance it. All steemit inc wants to do is destroy a product, Steem, which they criminally stole from the community.
Certainly Tron has excelled in using bots as marketing tools to inflate the number of users and transactions to promote Tron. But you notice when real users, and speech is involved, it is no no no, we don't want you. One of the most important people Ned Scott shooed away was Dan Larimer. Dan has since gone on, without the incompetent Ned Scott, to create EOS which is a top 10 crypto. Similarly, the leadership of steem have shooed off the other top true holders/investors. Certainly after all the criminal activity he commenced to take control of steem, it feels as though he wants to professionally distance himself from it and leave the old clowns in charge as it is being prepped for the Chinese market.
All they have left is to gift and reward asskissers to keep them going. You notice they can't argue against the hive people-they don' have the ability. They hide them, they delete them, they censor them. Steemit inc knows it is a criminal syndicate and cannot defend themselves, and doesn't want new people to know their background of stealing from the community. Stealing from the community-this is what Tron did to dlive also.
“When you tear out a man's tongue, you are not proving him a liar, you're only telling the world that you fear what he might say.”-George R.R. Martin.
Hi, I think Steem is another better social media than those facebook,instagram,twitter alike because we the steem users get paid just by using it as we do with those mainstream social media. Many people still using those centralized social platforms, without getting a penny out of it. Hive is for those crypto people who dislike/cannot bring themselves to trust Justin Sun and Tron. I wish Hive can manage the decentralized elements of it, listen and consider all the voices from all small to big stakeholder and develop the graphene blockchain technology to it full potential.
Thanks for giving your thoughts on this matter.
That being said, there absolutely is abuse on the chain. It is just how you look at it and IF you want to see it.
I never see an abuse. If i see abuse then whole things going on steem is abuse including all as i mention in my first comment.