RE: People claim to not like bullies... until they show up with a bag of candy.
The consolidation of power is most definitely a problem, this topic will be the thing that either makes or breaks steemit. The people here want a decentralized platform. They want a place where they can express themselves, and not worry about reprisal. I'm sure there are many people that have left Steemit cause they have been flagged into oblivion, and not for spam, plagiarism, ect.. There are people on this platform that do not create content, but find ways to game the system as much as they can. Those people will end up screwing this platform completely up. I want to tell you about what I found but I don't want to broad cast it on this comment. You seem like a person that might be able to help fix a very big potential problem. It is insane the amount of power some of the people have on this platform, and I don't know how to decentralize this power. The one or the group with the most money invested in this platform wins, kind of like life itself. I want to keep doing steemit, but if you piss off the wrong person you are done for! I am not free to say what I want, this is the example. If I told you right now what I have found, and that person reads this comment then they would prob shut me down for good. I don't want to be shut down I want to keep doing this, so I have to keep my mouth shut. THAT IS CENSORSHIP! THX for the post.
I posted a proposal how to make steem grow. I need to get the message out https://steemit.com/steemit/@emble/will-steem-succeed-or-commit-suicide
People think it's consolidation. There is nothing wrong with consolidation, that's also how reputation works. But a bunch of the bullies started out with so much more money to buy candy and spitballs with, that to describe it as 'god mode' would be quite an understatement.
My candy reference is that Randowhale is essentially buying a lottery ticket. Yet it is like buying a lottery ticket from the Mafia or a Dictator. How much is your soul worth? So they may not LIKE these people or their activities, but they'll gladly buy their products which gives them huge power.
Tapping into greed is a lucrative business, and they are SMART in that sense. It isn't good for steem, but it is good for them. People need to stop taking candy from them.
They are learning but somebody needs to take steem away from these pigs first. Then they can play chess with each other, or, you know, like BS likes to say 'get a real job'.
LOL, good point.
With the exception of when a small group of whales was downvoting posts because they had some other whales upvoting them over a certain amount... or whatever their reason was for their 'experiment', I have rarely seen large stakeholders downvoting maliciously.
Even that is a stretch to call that malicious because the whales intent was to try to distribute the reward pool more.. it just had the unintended consequences of hitting some people who had rarely had a good potential payout and they lost some or all of it.
I have seen them take down some nasty, lying scammers which is a public service.
I can think of one person who was being regularly downvoted and some behind the scenes discussion ended that. The person being downvoted wasn't a bad dude.. just the two didn't know each other and had a misunderstanding. Crap like that happens.
As long as you behave like a reasonable person, respect others and don't try to scam, you can pretty much post what you want.
I think most of the activity of the other kind was many months ago now. I do think it is improving.
Perhaps I spoke too soon. :) Though I've been waiting to be down vote dogpiled. I finally had it happen.
I don't recognize the names that downvoted you.. who they heck are they and what is their problem?
A down vote trail... bot action. I'll provide more info in the future.
I just avoid naming specific people when reporting information. If I am going to name a person I try to only state the facts and avoid just writing my opinion. I also try not to call them a jerk or otherwise ad hominem attack them.
I've found they don't usually down vote someone to oblivion if that person didn't actually ATTACK them. If you give them nothing to latch onto other than facts which you are not stating opinions about, then really they don't generally flag someone to oblivion.
This has been my observation. So it is all in how you go about doing it.
@ats-david did some investigative reports long ago, and not only is he still around he is thriving. @bacchist did some investigative posts long ago and he is still around. @klye did some investigative posts and not only is he still around both he and bacchist are witnesses.
I called out berniesanders on one of my posts but I didn't bash him. I just did like an information dump. He didn't attack me. He had some verbal comments, but I was careful not to take the bait and resort to name calling or ad hominem attacks. He didn't flag me, when I've seen him flag other people into oblivion.
The key is can you show that you are doing it because you care about the community without turning it into a finger pointing rant?
OK very good advice, and ya I have facts but still it is prob not a good idea to post about it anyway. I might not understanding everything I have found out as well, I don't want to be one of those guys that post something and it not what I think it is. I just have a feeling that Steemit will be like the real world, when it comes to making money and business. Corrupt! Human nature, there is nothing we can do about that. I will just keep my head down, and try to make content that is honest and kind. Thank you by the way for replying, I really enjoy how throw you are.
You can email me the info if you want to dwinblood @ gmail.com
I am looking into some of this as well. They thought I was butt hurt and came after this post with a big horde of down vote bots and accounts that down voted all at the same time. Mining those accounts for information has revealed an interesting web. I will turn that information into some hopefully nice investigative reporting, so if you don't want to say anything but have information feel free to email it to me if you want.
Yes that is what I am talking about, it is web of crazy stuff I will email you what I have found.
You're just a butthurt old man. There's nothing here worth downvoting. You can see just by the number of followers and users how many people LOVE @randowhale.
Oh I know they love it. I even used it a few times. :) I don't even KNOW if the person I was responding to was even talking about you. They didn't say. I would kind of doubt it though.
I agree with you I'd rather see people using it to promote other people, and policing that would be difficult as they could just use other accounts like you said. Most people don't have other accounts, but it might spur them to create them.
Fuck you, sanders, you fucking grub.
Welcome to the preminer-haters-club :) It's not just him. and btw, he is also @nextgencrypto - either that, or when bernie gets butthurt, nextgen flags.
like magic
Oh he is A LOT of people. I'm actually glad they down voted me with 100+ accounts. Do you have any idea how revealing it is to go through these accounts and see who transfers money to where? He is A LOT more accounts than that, but yes he is definitely that one and that is the one he seems to send most of his Randowhale funds to. They go from Randowhale to Randowhalefund and from there mostly to Nextgencrypto.
Whether they are all the same people I cannot say for certain. Yet it is obvious they have an extreme level of collusion IF they are different people.
Clearly, such collusion is improbable, so, it's the same asshole. With all his SP and accounts, this is his dream. As a child, he was the awkward fat kid that never quite understood that being normal was not worth aspiring to, yet, he wasn't, and he got ragged on. He lived, for that day, when he could rag on someone else. He got his wish, a game, where he was able to rack up godlike XP, before anyone else joined the virtual world.
I would guess, also, that he is less than 25 years old.
He better hope no one ever doxes him if this is how he wishes to act. As more people join no telling what type of a loon he might set off. :)
I don't think he is uniquely kooky. Haven't you noticed the way that steemit employees act? if you ask me, premined attracts sociopaths. The special type that live in mom's basement. They hate people so much they want to play chess with them, by remote control.
And 25 years concept. Very possible since he called me an old man. :) Which I am fine with being called. I myself am 47.
I'm 41, and most people think I am both physically and mentally 28-32. By most metrics, I am probably exactly that physical age. When I was 15 years old, I broke my radius bone, but there was no fracture visible on the x-ray. It was like the bone break of a 6 month old baby. There is something weird and strange about my body, and my mind. I am both accused of being an old man, and a baby at the same time.
Maybe I am the reincartanion of Lao Tzu. Lao Tzu means 'teacher who is a baby'.
It was definitely based on Chuang Tzu, who was also similarly both childlike and extremely mature at the same time mentally.
Anyway, what fun this all is, really. I suppose they thought this would be a neat cover for their scam. It's just like I used to say back in 2013. Cryptocurrencies are an idea, that are like, an avenging angel. They are moving money around in strange ways, and giving power to people who would never have had any power otherwise.
A lot of people LOVE Britney Spears, that does not make her music any better.
From what I read of your @randowhale you are using a random number. I don't know if it is just a flat range or not. Have you considered making it even more lottery like?
Adjust your algorithm so maybe there is a 1% chance of a 10x as powerful vote as normal, 10% chance of a 4x as powerful, and then the remaining 89% or so doing what you are already doing? That would make it kind of like buying a lottery ticket.
Right now you can make more or less than your $1 SBD, but I suspect you keep that pretty closely monitored. It right now is a lot like buying a lottery ticket, but it is not quite as dramatic as a lottery ticket might be.
I do realize that to do this you'd have to recalculate percentages.
As to butthurt and looking for something to complain about. I just write about whatever comes to mind. That usually comes from external stimuli. You haven't done anything to me, but I'd been thinking about the growing groups of voting bots that get paid for their services for awhile. That inspired my post.
Now talking hopefully WITH you, but I'll be satisfied with AT you if that is all I can get also made me think of ways your service might be even cooler. So I shared that with you. If I was butthurt and jealous because I didn't get there first I wouldn't bother. ;)
I do KNOW you care about the community. We ideologically differ strongly in some areas, but that doesn't mean I think you don't care.
I do think when it comes to business and focusing on yourself and maximizing your potential you are willing to go further than I am. That also means you'll always have more than I do. I am totally fine with that.
So if you like the idea and it helps you at all... have at it. If not. Oh well, something else will inspire me to write about something else. It always does and it is actually fairly RARE that it has anything to do with you. :)
Wow, you came out cheap from this :)
There ya go. I had to go do some server work. I came back and am sitting at zero. All I can say is I can now make a note of all of these accounts that subjectively down voted and start keeping an eye on them. ;)
If you start with that bully, don't expect to go away with a bag of candies :(
Oh I came away unscathed until this time. Yet this time I am spinning to a positive. The 100+ accounts that down voted me all at the same time gave me far more data to mine than I was expecting. There is good information here. In that regard it was worth it. If he actually wanted my attention, he got it. :)
WOW!
So you WIN even if it looks like you lost ;-)>
A sign of a REAL winner and superiorly intelligent being!
I didn't call him names. I didn't tell him he was butt hurt. In other words I did not do what he was doing to me. Two wrongs do not make a right. He also knows I care about the community though I disagree with him ideologically on a number of things.