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RE: What Does The Steemit Community Feel About People Who Post Only Photos That Don't Belong To Them?
I'd be more concerned if some guy started a blog about "fine a$$ women" and started posting pics of his a$$ :D
but on a more serious note, not sure how this can be dealt with, let's assume the guy is a fan of classic cars, and started posting pics of classic cars, does he really need to own the pics? honestly I do not know if the fact steemit has rewards makes it less of a social media website. This question would not come up on facebook or twitter, that's what I judge by now. If we take the rewards factor out things are a lot easier to consume as OK content.
I'd be the first to welcome more male ass. I am sick of seeing women exploited everywhere I go....if they exploit themselves, well, that's different. But others exploiting them, that's what I think is disgusting.
this ^ I'm not really sure what we can do about it, other than community flagging and such, perhaps we start a downvote trail :P
you dont want to see my ass, i can assure you of that.
ha ha
speaking for other people are we?
Yeah, mine neither. If I show mine, someone may think an ape escaped from the local zoo.
I agree. I think it's horrible that these people are posting pictures of women without their permission in order to profit.
Even if they put the link to the original source it would still be wrong if the women didn't give their permission.
exactly. It's not right PLUS IT'S ILLEGAL.
If he is a genuine fan of classic cars, I would expect some kind of cool dialogue around the pictures that he is posting - that's what makes this a content creation site and not a copy and paste site. Its easy to tell the people who are just here for the fast buck as they invest no time in their posts.
exactly! People who are passionate about their topic can be allowed some leeway! But I will warn people, there already have been cases where the artist/owner discovered that their photos are stolen! If this shit gets more out of hand, then we are all in trouble. Keeping this place clean is essential for reputation. Everyone needs to help! We can't leave it all to one person, dept.
have cool captions and theyre passionate about the photos AND credit them , its ok, funy how I had thought about that too, and how the fine line is a determination if the person posting is ethical enough to understand the whole citation thing and the difference between copy pasta and ading value and using a photo u cite,
lets be glad this person isnt making much money or upvotes at all! and that MOST spammers and content theives who copypasta here are failures at it!
But theres something that makes me believe that they think thi is what theyre supposed to do! They see people posting photos etc and so they go and find photos to post!
The idea of making money attracts bad people, but its fine, it will soprt itself out
when we have tns of millions ofusers soon, nd then hundreds of millions like reddit, things will be so big and crazy, theyll be SO many cliqs and sub groups, there will be wars , whole wars like antiufa vs alt right shit
there will be mgtow vs feminists, there will be al sort of culture wars going on via flaging!
OMG its gonna be crazy!
No, he doesn't need to own the pictures. But at the same time has he been allowed to use those pictures - that would be a more pertinent question.
Google classifies images clearly according to their usage rights. In fact all images have usage rights - the ones that don't mention anything get the benefit of doubt and it is presumed that they cannot be used.
Most people would be surprised if they got to know that there are very few images are actually free to be used in posts. Usage rights are even mentioned against each free image on sites like Pixabay.
Even if an image is free to use the source must be mentioned beneath the image or in the post with due credit.
I have given my suggestion in my comment below.
OW trhanks for thsi! i had no idea google had that featue of showing the "usage riughts"
In my opinion, intelectual property is a silly concept, and untill we fix global poverty and feed the 800 million chronically undernourished human beings, then we can live with peopel ignoring copyright...I mean in south america whole video store industry is based on selling copyrighted music and DVDs...are you sayingthat we should enforce copyright laws in Ecuador and force Thousands of people to loosethir jobs? ;) see im using the RIAA MIAA argument against them! its all subjective, and i wish people would accept that they DONT and CANT own information . And when it comes to these image licenses, its a silly thing to believe we can control what peopel post
I am wondering, can steemimages take down images?? I know steemimgs cant upload things to steem blockchain, or does it? I feel its a seprate image server, and im worried that all images in our posts will become broken links.....
but if it IS permenant, what if somepone uploads an image, and theyt get sued and a court ordersthem to tke down a post....What happens wen they CANt take down the post becauseits on teh steem blockchain?
will the witnesses organize a manual erase of content? if they do that they will mak steem look bad, they cant ver ever do that, it will defeat the opurpose of steemit. Anywa thats al hypothetical, haha here i am getting mad about something that hasnt even happened yet
Using "labeled for reuse with modification" is the safest category to use for images on your blog, since posts on Steemit get paid. But you will hardly get any images as a result when you choose that option.
It is already happening. Rampant misuse of private images from the internet, including profile pictures to earn a quick cent, and even blatant use of someone else's image as a profile pic!
In the coming months or years it is going to snowball into a major issue - that is, when one of the giants on the internet stand up and decide to do something about plagiarized articles and unauthorized use of copyright images on Steemit.
Anyone who claims authority and has power on a web platform cannot shy away from ownership of issues, whether it is a blockchain or not. If someone has enough power to flag things to oblivion, it is presumed that he also has the power and authority to do other things.
However, I am not a legal authority on the subject. Consider it a whine pertaining to a legit issue, from a minnow who is all for the universal good of the community.
Hey I agre with you, i went off in my had and wrote a crazy long response, dont take it prsonaly its not directed at you but the copyright people lol, just, sorry just PREPARE for aCRAZY rant! U dont hve to read it iof u dont want!
What haopens when someone broadcasts a pirate image server from Space? or when people set up steemit witness nodeson some foreign countriesOUTSIDE US law I fel like Americans forget that the internet is not subject to US law
People also take the internet too seriously when it comes to just DATA and IMAGES and Videos, theyre not real, its all 0s and 1s and you could make the case that its all Art
Liek when it became ILLEGAL to display a DVD piracy code that let you copy a DVD and bral the anti copyright code, some magane got on troiuble for displaying a piece of ARTWORK that HAD the code embedded intop it like Ascii art i believe, and it was a 1st amendembt fere speech issue
and all data is protected or shouldnt it be?/
Oh nowI just realized what if someone wants to have like child porn and say its just "Art" is that free speech? And then what if someone has a sketching of his girlfriend or like a leaked photo fo a famous celebrity, and they make a perfect hand drawing of the photo even colorizes it with markers...and then releases it as art....How is that illegal? Yes you can get in trouble for releasing nude images of someone without thir consent....But what if soimeone lietraly draws the image from memory/////and THEY draw it wioth a pen and markers...and they can draw it whenever they want....how is it possible for you to stay ethical while trying to STOP someone an ARTIST from DRAWINg an image....JUST BECAUSE that image LOOKS like the "illegal" image of a hacked celebrity nude.....h=this hypotehtiucal situation makes me mad because of the way people have this authoritarian egoi that makes them thing they can justify ordering around other human beings, and the idea that you cannot do whatever you want with your computer is pretty rediculous, like running a darknet website, , thats crazy that they arrested ross ulricht for operating a website....I guess there is a big issue with thge idea of using a computer of you steal an identity or steal money from an account but honestly if someone was able ti make money by just pushing buttons on a computer and clicking a mouse who are we to say they clicked the wrong combinations?? Who are WE to say they clicked and hit teh wrong bttons to make that money? haha ys of course if you zoom out dfar enough itr all seems arbitrary...but honestly, its a hard issue to think about....peopel should have better security...if you leave your money out in the open your asking for it to be stolen.....its that simple in a world where value ius scarce and we dont allow people to enjoy themselves unless they can ammass an incredible amount of wealth! So dont get mad when people steal stuff when theer are no jobs or instructions for how to make money online. This planet is in need of massive social reforms because trhe way we treat our children and each other is beginning to become more third world, and less western, America was fine in the 20th century...we thrived in the late 20th even WITH our restruiuctions....we could become wealthy enough to take care of eevry last poor person n the planet....and the rest of the planet should take note
Its unthinkable that we allow these murdered in the state to prance around acting like they reprsent the people, taking taxes and leveling restructions to STUIFEL the fre market growth of industry
its a DIRECTLY related to peope dying from hgiunger and poverty. The state wont allow capitalist and the fre market to do its thing! Turbo Capitalism is rthe ONLY way to slve our proiblems!
people WANYT the envioronent to be clean! So peopl will PAy for iut to be cleaned up! Its a MARKET ISSUE
man its so sad that 50% of millenials have POSITIVE feelings about socialism and a bunch of them would even have no problem with a military coup, and theyre SO fucked
I apologize but I am from the worst gneratioon weve ever seen but iots nor our faults its the baby boomers and Ge X's fault for raising us like pyschopaths! you cannot blame children for being fucked up hen their parents raise rthem in the most fucked up way and ROB whole generations of entire rites of passage!
Anyway sorry wat were we talking about? Copyright? lol yeah its all about our CRAZY egotistical way of lookong at the world...theres this small group of people in the legal and government system minority who sem to think humans can control everything and every aspect of someones life down to the use of image files on websites, and its called Totalitarianism (and the fact that they ONLY notice when someone makes MONEY is proof of how selfish and greedy people are)
I just don't like when people are constantly trying to act like they own intellectual property and YOU KNOW that its a problem when I REMIND you all of Biotech and Big Pharma trying to fucking copyright segments of our DNA, and the completely evil plans they hve for that shit...you KNOW its evil....so please lets stop defending the copyright laws as if we are being paid by the Record Industry.....I just don't understand why we all jhave to have this vested interest in other peoples industris and fortunes....i dont CARE about photograph copyrights and its sad that we are forced to have to care about that or we are made to look ;iek we are a PIRATE and were UNETHICAL and IMMORAL its just sad, its pathetic, its this tactic they use to guilt people outr of downloading mp3s and downloading video games on bit torrent, they act like they can make something illegal just because youre not doing what theyt want. if people didn't want people to pirate software they should build better anti piracy mechanisms, and maybe the blockchain will help with that .
All of the years I spent on Twitter, I rarely saw anyone site a source for pictures, videos or articles. It may be a consequence of the limited characters a tweet can have or the fact that there is no money involved. That sort of behavior will and has entered the steemit platform, as there are more new accounts daily.
What is the answer? What are the repercussions? Will there be law suits filed against high reward posts that use unsourced content of others?
@stellabelle is correct in questioning what the actual policy is.
BOOM EXACTLY! When Money is involved ALL OF THE SUDDEN people start complaining! Its REDICULOUS! The Money is NOT Us dollars its STEEM and it is NOT coming FROm the photios!
we are NOT selling the photos! (I am NOT defending content thieves im just making a case for the fact that there ius no such thing asintelectiual property, theres no real estate in the 4th dimensional thought ether...u cant own an idea) ANYAy the whole idea of making money off a photo only applis iof your SELLING IT and if your getting paid for a post using someone lesesphotos, what if theres 4 photos in thre> and some text? Who is to say that the TEXT was resonsibel foryour upvote? And how would u split up themoney> would u pay the person a 5th of the posts rewards? what about if the price of stem DROPS? an also, what if i dont want to coinvrt my steem to BTC and dollar bills? Will the person acceopt steem to get paid bak for the money u make of their post? Its like having to pay taxes on steem rewards...the IRS doesnt accept steem that I know of, yet, LOl untill they make an IRS account to pay them, ythats a nightmare waiting to happen shit
ANYWAY back yto my VERY passionate argument, I AGREE with you 100 Percent that I have NEVER EVER seen people worry about citing images on TWITER or facebook OR EVEN REDDIt most of the time even when a photo is on front page!!!! People dont EVER care about citing images ion Instagram and they make ALOT of money marketing using Instagram!
WTF yah youre so right! people NEVER EVER care about citing images ion twiter! twitter LOVES the traffic the copied images provide!
Now AL of the sudden, people see that Steemit users get Rewards and thing were getting PAID and NO, we arer getting UPVOTES, the steempower we reciuve is NOT money its STEEMPOWER. Its also not money when we get SBD, thoe are steem dollars and they are NOT us dollars! Its just MATh and its NOT REAL MONEY and if the US government wants to recignize it as legal tender they will haveto actually allow us to pay off debts with steem and buy stuff with steem....they cant force us to powerdown to pay them/...and what if you "loose' your steemit key? seriously what if steemit goes down and u cant acess your steem?!?!?!
Seriously peopel are SO !UICK to want to TAX and SUE a Sucesful website that JUST started JUST because its sucesful! but who KNOWS if we will ven be able to ACESSour steem in teh future! ANYTHING coiuld happen!
haha people create a system where all of the sudden billions of dollars are generated by computers, and people on the one hand claim its not real,m and on the other hand want a piece of it and demand we pay taxes on it WITHOUT telling us WHY we should, as if they IMMEDIATELY claim crypto currency profit is fucking capital gains, and then when people see us making money off a post that includes a photo that isn't ours, they think they deserve that money???? Like Iu said that was never an issue on twitter! Noone demand they hare theur followers or upvotes aftr using a copied image!
Mayb we should just HIDE the price on posts! make it only visible to people who are logged in!
I thought showing the price would always be good, but maybe we need to keep this on the down low, keep it low key OR present the Payments in a more accurate way. or anonymous. It would be cool to have some sortof anonymous wallet, using a mixer or something, splitting up all your money into many different accounts, but anyways its going to be a pain in th ass dealing with all the SNAKES that come OIUT of the wood work to find ways to sue teemit users, after they find out they cant sue a decentrlized blockchain
steemit.com can shut down and we will be fine and can just ue busy.org but we wont ever have steemit.com shut down because someone will always always bring it back online! And thre is always busy.org and thre is steemdb and chainbb and you can even access steem from command line
@ackza, that about covers it all :)
When people take the content of others - the appropriate recourse is to file a DMCA takedown request. This is a long-standing issue in my blogging groups. For example - I make a post on my blog and tomorrow someone copy/pastes it into their blog. The takedowns work if you keep up with them. After a few - the host will kill the site since they do not want to have to deal with it. The takedown goes to the host - not the person who stole the content.
This happens to people who post recipes frequently. If the post is text, food pics and the recipe it is tempting for others to steal. So my friends' entire posts will be up on 10 sites in 24 hours. Lucky for me - no one cares about natural weight loss so I have a had very few issues in 7 years - but I have had them.
Here's the info for the takedown. I'm not certain it would work if used here with the decentralization. Who is the host on steemit? I'm not sure. The DMCA checks for the first posting and all the others get the notices. https://www.dmca.com/FAQ/What-is-a-DMCA-Takedown
Good to see that there is actually some recourse out there. I haven't blogged other than Steemit, so the world of intellectual theft didn't really affect me much. I see the problem, when you state that your friends content is all over the internet in a day.
My wife and I were just talking about how much we hate the fact that money corrupts everything. Obvious necessary evil, but it is so pervasive. Whether it be bribes, campaign contributions or outright theft, there always will be that person who desires to pervert the system to benefit themselves.
So true - and why the good guys have to band together. Just fyi - if your post is more personal - it is less likely to be stolen. So recipe bloggers that have their faces in the photos or their kids or dog have less issues. If the post looks generic - it's the first to go.
But yes, this is a big problem all over the internet. At least here - we can stamp them down with group effort. When a person in another country puts your post on their obscure site - it's a bit harder to find and deal with.
One story I remember from years ago is a woman who took a photo of her teen daughter looking happy. She was a portrait photographer and used this pic in her marketing. This photo ended up selling cell phones in Eastern Europe. This photographer was semi-famous and started getting people sending her photos of this pic selling phones in conveniences stores, bus stops, street signs, magazines, etc. All in Latvia and other such countries.
She ended up doing a series of posts about it and I'm sure drew a lot more people to her work out of the problem. AsI recall, she was never able to get the photo taken down because it was widespread, being used by many, and not even on the internet.
She did a post about "My Daughter - The International Star" showing all the usage. Making lemonade from lemons!
People will poach whatever is not being guarded. That is an interesting case study you used.
There is so much wrong going on and I like the people who make the best of it in creative ways. I have more! I've been at this for about 7 years and people's reaction to theft is very interesting to me :)
i second you on this man...That really is a thing to ponder upon... Has Steemit changed to Rewards and Money only or is it still the Most advanced Social Media.
But I suppose if he/she isn't uploading his own original content, but work of some other person, atleast he should cite a source for that. Doing so would definitely make that a Steemit Post..."where you post what you love." Just a thought!!!