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RE: Steemchiller goes witness! Let's make Steem safe again ;)
I'm ok with censoring when the future of Steem would otherwise be in danger. They should not use the old chain to promote the new one in the way they did. To a degree the promotion is understandable, because they made a very risky decision and they don't want to lose everything, which has been worked on over the years, but by attacking Justin and Steemit personally over and over again they created a good reason for starting the censorship.
It's like one works for Burger King but eats his burgers at Mc Donalds and while sitting there putting up a big sign that says 'this company's meat is toxic'.
If you're ok with censorship, I wonder what you're doing on social media blockchain.
We want to get money... He doesn't care on what engine this site is working on as long as he gets paid
The joke's on the@steemchiller then, because if you're "in this for the money" you're frighteningly naive.
Wow
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"the hive" is already censoring accounts. Including @steemchiller.
So, not so much a "democracy" as much as it's more like a VOTE FOR THE RIGHT ACCOUNTS OR SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES.
https://steemit.com/hive-171744/@logiczombie/q7tdnv#@logiczombie/q7tdnv
his account is not censored. It's there waiting for him should he choose to log in and use it. He didn't receive the airdrop which isn't an entitlement. There is however a process through which he can gain that airdrop and many have reached out to encourage him to use it.
Please explain what you mean. Isn't the entire value-theory of HIVE that it's a COPY of steem?
Imagine if NOBODY got an "airdrop"?? HOW many people do you think would move to HIVE?
BY EXCLUDING ACCOUNTS FROM AUTOMATIC "AIRDROP" BASED ON VOTING BEHAVIOR, YOU ARE SIGNALLING CAPRICIOUS AUTHORITARIANISM (FASCISM).
So, not so much a "democracy" as much as it's more like a VOTE FOR THE RIGHT ACCOUNTS OR SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES.
WHY WOULD ANYONE BEG TO BE PART OF A PROJECT THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN SINGLED-OUT FOR EXCLUSION FROM?
I'D SAY "FUCK-YOU".
yep Hive is a 'copy' of the Steem code ... a copy that those who created it had the right to decide what stayed what changed.
In this case they chose to create a starting point that dropped stake to people who didn't vote on sock puppets based on a criteria which was coded in and decided by the code.
That was a somewhat arbitrary starting point for some. For others who get that those who create get to decide we understand the starting point is created by those who create.
They then decided rather than arbitrarily decree that would be the final word, they created a process through which the community could agree to have the airdrop go to those the community didn't see as a threat even though they had a lapse of judgement.
That's democracy in action when those who could choose to control, choose to put the decision in the hands of the collective.
With the behaviour of Justin Sun and his arbitrary, dictatorial censorship, many would have made the move without an airdrop. They would have powered down their accounts and bought HIVE because of it being what Steem should have been. Like they are doing now.
Many of those same people would not be powering down and would be staying here except for the dictatorship from Sun. The more I see what has stayed here, the more I am relieved I'm among those leaving.
Caprcious fascism is alive and well, it's known as Justin Sun... enjoy
I hope the HIVE flourishes.
They definitely have a lot of talented and well-intentioned people on-board.
I just kind of wish they'd stop pretending they're "a decentralized censorship-resistant platform".
And they still haven't taken any steps to prevent someone (or some small group of oligarchs) from accumulating a large HIVE stake and taking-over-the-place (exactly like the SUN fiasco).
they are certainly closer to decentralized and censorship resistant than Steem is currently.
As for a repeat of the Sun fiasco... unless the stakeholder is already sitting there waiting to strike... it would take someone accumulating a large HIVE stake now 30 days to be able to vote in their sock puppets. That was coded into the HF and is a start on changing the governance model. The next steps will come from the community consultations and further dicussions.
how on earth did you reach that conclusion?
30 days seems like plenty of time for them to soft-fork (cheat) any investor they disapprove of out of their stake-value.
The funny thing is that I imagined the SUN was going to have his scheduled meeting with the top 50 witnesses and then simply buy-off the 17 he needed. I'm pretty sure that would have worked perfectly.
Kid #1 - I broke the rules because that other kid was going to use the rules against me.
Kid #2 - I only used the rules against that other kid because they BROKE THE RULES (even though it's my god-given-right to use the rules as I see fit as long as I don't BREAK THEM).
That's part of "the problem".
They should be focusing on establishing FEWER principled rules (AXIOMS).
Instead of piling on MORE ad hoc, opinion based rules.
кого ты тут понаписал? вот делать тебе нечего конечно. Боже,его рили кто-то читает?
Interesting.
exacto
We want to get money and tske care of iur families but he doesn't care
(1) PROTECT YOURSELF
(2) PROTECT YOUR FAMILY
(3) PROTECT YOUR PROPERTY
great
he's in for the money
Just how do a handful of posts put Steem in danger? That's absurd.
A handful? :)
And also absurdedly upvoted by known accounts! They still have their pending rewards!
Think you were against spam and milking!
If all of the fools left on Steem consider Justin the leader, and the leader is upvoting his own post to over $300 with @steemit, then I suppose we should all follow Steem's leader into the ground.
Must be for visibility, don't you have made it also?! XD
Self-voting should never have been considered a "crime" in the first place.
Which I didn't really mind that much at first, but with hundreds of lines of blank space??
It was making every comment section practically impossible to read.
It was far far far more than a handful of posts. Posts that were being left absolutely everywhere.
I believe in free-speech. However, I don't think you would appreciate someone coming to your home and spray painting self-promotion and hate speech everywhere. That would be taking the concept of free-speech a bit far, no? I'm pretty sure in that case it would be considered vandalism and abuse.
There's a massive difference between muting accounts that are blatantly comment spamming (which was already done before Justin bought Stinc) and censoring individual posts that happened to be about Hive and in many cases entire accounts. Furthermore I have seen zero hate speech. Your argument is a false equivalence.
You can see all of the censored posts and ENTIRE ACCOUNTS that were not comment spamming added to the Steemit blacklist here: https://github.com/steemit/condenser/commits/bridge-api-dev-test
That crosses a huge line and is not acceptable behavior for someone who claims to be a majority stakeholder of a "decentralized" (lol) blockchain, Steem.
Lucky you that you have seen zero hate speech. I guess you really sheltered yourself from seeing that. How, I do not know. It was everywhere. Particularly in group chats, and by many of "our" so called esteemed members and leaders. It was all there, racism, threats, name-calling, swearing, everything. Many of those chats could be (and were) seen by many. Just because you didn't see it, doesn't mean it didn't happen. This is a logical fallacy.
And who pray-tell do you think programmed those bots to spam users' blogs and their posts? Wouldn't be any of the same people would it?
Wouldn't be any of those people who threatened to fuck Justin and his team, would it?
Don't you know where that phrase originally came from? It originally came from chat and not from Justin. Justin just responded to it. But oh the mockery when he did.
If these people were civil, if they didn't lie, slander, defame, threaten, spam, or engage in other nefarious activity against Justin, then I agree. It was not acceptable to censor them.
However, if they did engage in that type of behavior, this then becomes a whole other issue.
I am sure Justin has an excellent legal team, who have gathered sufficient evidence to support all of his actions.
But of course, believe whatever you like.
Also, this is not the first-time posts or users have been censored on Steem.
Also, Justin didn't create the stake which he bought.
But well you know, if you want power..you have to give the people something to love...and something to hate. Right? Isn't that how it works?
I signed up on Steemit forever ago and lost my password until just recently.
100% this.
100% this.
How very sycophantic of you. You think people advertising another blockchain on STEEM is the greatest risk to it? Especially people who still own significant stake and resources? Laughable.
What's laughable is that you and others got exactly what you wanted, yet you continue to spend time on here. You have your new home, go grow it.
Why? I still own 115k steem power, not going to get rid of me that easily.
Then behave as an adult!!!
Oh is that the requirement? Who gets to define what an adult is? You?
If you are still invested in something it makes sense to want it to do well while you are still invested in it. Sticking around to bash it does you no good at this point, either financially or in the use of your time (which is the most valuable asset there is).
Theom
If steem had a chance to survive, it certainly has it not after starting censoring.I know many that took their decision to abandon completely steem exactly because of that. Not that it was not obvious that it will happen at some point, but some had still illusions. I think you can see that too, I consider you are smart enough to realize where it will all end up...
Are you kidding me? Marky and the rest of the censorship (secret) "blacklist" crew all moved to HIVE. There should be much LESS censorship on steem now.
Regards dear friend @liondani.
Acts of censorship were currently directed at a group of well-identified users. We can understand this attack as an act of revenge, but ... can we really be sure that these actions will not be extended to the rest of the users?
Changes in TOS give a lot to think about. A legal framework for applying censorship is being established.
Your friend, Juan.
The censoring placed Steem in more danger than the posts promoting the new chain. Every clone of Steem that has come into existence has done exactly the same thing. Whaleshares was one of the most persistent in doing so.
What the censoring did was move a lot of people, like me, who had every intention of staying on both chains with the hope that both would thrive in their own right to power down and decide to move on.
Justin Sun and his enabler Ned were the maker of their own misery. I didn't agree with the freezing of funds. I did agree with triggering the non-voting that was in the code and had been for years. I also didn't agree with voting for sock puppets especially when their creator wasn't even bothering to do the basics of appearing to run a witness properly like updating price feeds.
After seeing Sun's childish response to the whole situation -- the censoring accounts and arbitrarily changing the TOS to limit free speech was the last straw.
Having said all that, I'm among those who would support you getting the airdrop on Hive should you choose to pursue it simply because of the work you've done and the contributions to the community you've made in the past before this ugly situation occurred.
Your blog is your own property. A more appropriate analogy would be if you posted on your Facebook page that you were moving to Steem because you didn't like Facebook's censorship and they removed that post.
But, they weren't just posting on their own blogs. That is the issue. They were posting on nearly every single post being published and in many cases the comments too(using bots).
Oh, I'm not referring to bots or comments. I can understand why Sun would block those. I'm talking about witnesses and crypto influencers that had their posts censored on their own blogs.
Which Facebook did to me. I spent some promoting steem to friends and all links were removed with the warning about community guidlines.. shortly after sharing them.
Actually promoting partiko when it was good..
It's pretty much everywhere
One of the main reasons Steem failed was the way how Ned handled the situation with Dan & EOS (remember the mr.delegation vote?). Guess, history is repeating itself, just that it's Justin vs Hive now.
Yea, i think i agree with you very much.