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RE: [PROXY] Do you agree to remove downvote pool in Hardfork23 as a witness?

in #witness5 years ago (edited)

Personally I'm not one to go around downvoting people, I prefer positivity of supporting content. I understand however why downvote pools exist, to curb rampant abuse of rewards pool mining with low-value content. I don't agree that we should do any additional crazy coding modifications in this next hardfork because SMT's are already complex enough and we need to ensure no other latent bugs are introduced by adding/removing too much extra code.

While I don't like downvotes I think we need an alternate solution first, we can't simply just remove downvotes with no other checks and balances in place.

I would actually be in favour of removing both upvotes and downvotes and replacing them with an appraisal system as outlined in https://steemit.com/steem/@raycoms/proposal-change-up-and-downvotes-to-bids; this is quite a nice solution to the negative downvote perception, basically you read a post and cast your valuation on it, say 5 bucks, next person comes along and reckons "nah it’s worth 1 buck" and so on, the post is then valued at the median stakeweighted appraisal.

There are no downvotes and everyone just assigns a value they think is appropriate. Curators also become appraisers.

So in summary, my answer is Yes, I agree to remove both upvotes and downvotes in favour of a stake-weighted appraisal system, but I don't agree to doing it in this next HF as explained above.

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Thank you @thecryptodrive. I've got your opinion as a witness.

It is my pleasure, always here when needed.

The appraisal system is nowhere near ready in terms of analysis of game theory and incentives, much less coding, but as you say it could be considered for a future fork. If it can be made to work soundly I'd be open to it.

Awesome, yeah I meant it more of a long-term idea, certainly not for the coming HF. I really like the fact that the appraisal model removes the stigma of downvotes. Recently I watched an episode of a series called The Orville which showed a planet with a social justice dystopia where there are no rules or laws, instead there is mob-law where society decides based on a whim whether someone should be punished and how it can go overboard with mob-downvoting.

This YT video does a good job of summarising the episode called "Majority Rules"

The warp-drive civilisation of earth found this planet's methods of democracy to be crude and unadvanced, which made me think that perhaps Steem is just as crude as it stands now.

I have talked with him about the same idea, removing both upvote and downvote.
https://steemit.com/sct/@jack8831/2e3fqa-2019-11-27#@clayop/q1mxdi

The core question of them, if I understand correctly, is removing downvote being the status quo. So your answer "yes" is considered as "no decision". See my answer with the same goal of yours.

Cool I can't consent to removing downvote on its own but rather replacing it with a different mechanism as we both have discussed above. So as the question stands the answer is no but would be a Yes if there was a substitute mechanism as mentioned above.

Why not just let inflation curb reward abuse! the more abuse, the more token duimping, the lower the price! the market's invisible hand can take care of that! Rewards are just numbers we all need to share and get along and so we crypto first adopters can make money! It's silly fighting among ourselves! We are the ones that deserves it all, all of us! Not them the people that did not take a risk and find this place?? this is a failure, flags are a failure someone break the news to @themarkymark! I'll use them all up as long as i got em, or until the cows come home, I cannot help it! i think the flag button needs to be dismissed. especially for people with 600K sp! Or there should be a rule only whales of similar stature can flag each other, it's not fair!