Steem Survey: Should The Posts That Have Used Bidbots Be Moved to the Promoted Tab?
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Yes, yes, yes, 1000 times yes. I have brought this up many times but since I am a nobody I get told it is stupid and basically to piss off.
Everyone counts actually. Mass adoption is only possible when a platform is a good experience for 98% of people not 2%.
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Yes. Bidbots post are promoted posts, hence it should be where it belongs. Trending posts should be the posts truly loved by the community not some half cooked post..
yes, although it will require lists of bidbots, but yes. I think @heimindanger made one steem frontpage w/o bidbots the other day. Or at least you can see what posts are upvoted / using bidbots actually: https://steemit.com/steem/@heimindanger/operation-clean-trending (and then you can even downvote them: https://steemwhales.com/clean-trending/ )
Ah, thanks, I’m not asking for any downvote or anything of the sort. Just an admission of the reality that indeed bidbot posts are the definition of Promoted and are therefore in the wrong page. It can be fixed easily with code. Flags are not necessary.
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If people would flag the crappy ones, it wouldn't be a problem at all.
Great news
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No.
It would be nice but it will not work to fix the trending tab at all. I do not think there is a fix possible. If bidbots are removed from the trending, then people are going to complain that it is only vote trail post that make it on trending, Some trails are very long, does that make a post that gets regular vote trail votes that much better than one that does not? They can and do play favorites, many of them are automated and the people that belong to them have no clue at all what they are voting on.
Can we exclude vote trails from the trending? Do they have any higher quality than non vote trails? The reason for banning vote bots is why? Because they don't reflect quality content? It's a slippery slope when we start "banning" for any reason. What would be banned next? Meme's again? YT videos, even though they all have share buttons? Wiki page references?
Yes.
The problem is bigger than that though. We need to manually curate again to fix the trending pages. Even if bid-bot-posts where to be excluded from the trending pages, we'd still get tons of articles sitting in trending due to voting trails.
Baby steps... just wanted to get an idea what people are thinking..
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I hear you.
I think that most of the existing users on Steemit ignores the trending page, as we all know it's bogus. However, new people on the other hand, doesn't realize when they arrive the first time, and that is extremely misleading. New users would ultimately write and publish one or two articles and expect tons of rewards, and when they quickly realize that they don't earn more than some dust at best, they will leave. Steemit have a huge user retention problem, which have been ignored for too long, and I'd personally say that false or inaccurate advertising from well-known Steemians and the trending pages are the two biggest reasons for that.
There are some solutions coming watch my latest video part 2.
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To me this is MORE important than the bidding bots. We need active stakeholder curating with both upvotes and downvotes, the rest will take care of its self.
Actually the incentives are misaligned. Moving bidbot posts to Promoted would disincentivize people from using them, since they’d be ignored. Then only the fittest bidbots would even survive, or they’d die off completely....and then we’d have a new void to fill: New Projects for mass adoption that give whales good ROI..
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I don't have an incentive to put them out of business. I remember all too well how it was before them. I want them to stay, just not be so dominating.
Forget about whales curating. Whoever marries mass adoption dApps with good ROI for SP delegation will do well. Scammy bidbots will fall.
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Oh, I am sure our whales will not curate. I, single handedly have gotten users who were posting shit to trending to take it down a notch or two. I leave a friendly note explaining what I like and dislike about the post. I know it doesn't get you a number one spot on an application, but it matters.
Stop acting powerless and use your stake to shape the site. Not just you, but all of the active users.
I am believe me I’m working behind the scenes now
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Yeah. Move the posts that have reached the trending pages with bidbots, make room for a more natural trending page and get people to manually curate again. Seems like easy steps, but I guess we'll see those changes in a year.
I hate to say it but as long as people are making money I don't think any of these things will happen.
It's sad, but you are probably right.
@hitmeasap,
"Great curation" is every bit as important to the blockchain as is "great content creation." They are two sides of the same coin. And "great creation" means "manual creation." There's a place for curation-bots ... in support of manual curators.
@stellabelle's got a point though ... baby steps. One step at a time. Nothing kills manual curation faster than corrupting Hot & Trending. I'm writing an article on it as we speak.
Quill
Bid bots killed the purpose of manual curation. Even newcomers with minimal Steem delegates to bid bots in an attempt to earn passive income. People are lazy in general, and people are looking for shortcuts. That's why they delegate even though they would earn more from manual curation.
People lack knowledge and understanding. They're just focusing on the money.
Agree with you that’s why smarter incentives are needed and worked on now
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Sadly, no.
I agree with inertias comment about buying votes for the posts of others to 'hide' them in promoted. That's not gonna end well.
The same big stake authors would appear each day with very little change - their votes are earned via the same people.
Personally I think 'Trending' should be renamed to 'Adverts' or 'Promoted', and the failed Promoted link be discarded.
Thinking out loud, dangerous on 3 hours sleep, but what about a UA score backed 'Popular' as the gateway page?
Trending aside, I'm hoping the new community developments and alternative front ends bring in methods to find and manage displays. 'Toggle bot posts' on/off.
I wrote about this a few months back, but sending bot posts underground won't send them out of business imo, as long as there is money to be made, the delegations and bids will keep on coming. New methods for larger stakeholders to make money need to be invented, this could help reduce the BBs influence.
Yes you’re right
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Personally, I would like to see a new tab. It could be called Community Favorites, Engaging or Most Active.
The algorithm would be a combination of most unique votes and comments, with stake of any kind factored out. It would be a compilation of what posts are moving and getting people talking.
The rest of it can stay as is. I don't mind if they make a switch, but I would rather see enhancements and new ways to find things.
In addition, moving bots to promoted would not take into consideration accounts like the Sweetsssj and the circle jerkers. Which is why I would like to see a new addition instead. If it is straight yes or no, my answer is no.
Definitely YES.
I’d like to see on trending page only what the community voted as a trend. And not the exact opposite. I don’t judge those services. In fact there are cases that really important posts would have been buried if it wasn’t for bots.
Absolutely yes, they should be moved to promoted. Posts that have been paid to be pumped up to a higher position or rank, as it were, are by the very definition of the word....promoted
LOL 😂 💡
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Yes, most definitely. They are not in fact trending.