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Well, you got to bring along the slow kids in the class to get anywhere like consensus, imo.

That is why I simplify, keep working, stop paying, rule by force is the disease, who and how are symptoms.

Crowds are moronic, not capable of reasoning, only reacting.
https://socserv2.socsci.mcmaster.ca/econ/ugcm/3ll3/lebon/Crowds.pdf