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RE: Mutual Aid a funadamental basis of capitalism supported by an "anarchist" 109
Yeah in the short term socialism is always better. Venezuela and the USSR had some great times before the collapse. The USA is also doing great right now under most measures but we are heading for collapse.
I think in general democracies lead to more socialism and eventually a collapse.
The USSR collapsed because of market reforms. It's because they abandoned socialism that they collapsed, that's the reality of the situation.
As for socialism being better in the short term, the USSR was around for a long time. Considering the quality of life of the population over profit is a going to make a better life for your population.
Consider pre-soviet ussr, the population was poor and uneducated, despite this they created an industrialized society in about a generation.
I honestly wouldn't say the USA is doing great right now. Do you live in a large city? It's hard to support capitalism when there are homeless children while there are empty houses.
So they ran out of food because of "market reforms'?
I would define long term as 50-100 years.
I think if we scaled back socialism including military spending the poor would benefit. If you reward poverty and poor decisions you get more.
The USSR lasted from 1917 to 1991, so it fits the criteria set by you for a long term success.
"So they ran out of food because of "market reforms'"
What are you referring to? The famines they inherited from the tsarist regime? I really don't know what you are talking about.
"I think if we scaled back socialism including military spending the poor would benefit"
I agree with the scaling back the military, but I wouldn't call the military socialism. Socialism isn't just government doing stuff. Socialism is when production is directed towards social need, not profit. Amoungst other things.
Socialization and nationalization aren't the same thing.
http://blog.victimsofcommunism.org/breadlines-and-shortages-the-soviet-food-supply/
Basically all government is socialism. We could have free healthcare but instead we have "free" military.
You've never read communist litterateur then.
This is ideological propaganda.
Why wasn't Napoleon a socialist then? He nationalized the tabacco industry.
The victims of communism is literally ideologically driven propaganda. Get a better source and we might have a conversation here.
The source I sent you about quality of life came from a capitalist economist, who did a scholarly assessment of both situations.
The link you gave me is a blog. Not really very scientific.
I read some of the communist manifesto but I support things like personal property rights.
There probably needs to be some leeway. You could make a case that some of our businesses and industries are at least partially nationalized.
Yeah I'm not super motivated to research the failed USSR right now.
You haven't read the manifesto
Marx writes in chapter two,'Hard-won, self-acquired, self-earned property! Do you mean the property of petty artisan and of the small peasant, a form of property that preceded the bourgeois form? There is no need to abolish that"
Marx supported personal property Rights.
Personal property and private property are different forms of property.
No one wants to take your toothbrush. Literally no one.
"Yeah I'm not super motivated to research the failed USSR right now."
Because if you did you'd realize all the lies you've been told.
'You could make a case that some of our businesses and industries are at least partially nationalized."
And what does that have to do with socialism?
http://laissez-fairerepublic.com/tenplanks.html