How Black and White thinking harms us all

in #science7 years ago

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Disclaimer: This is less a scientific article and more of a think piece on something that has bothered me for a while, especially in communities like on Steemit. I’m going to quote comments from below my most recent post, but will only attribute the ones I use as positive examples. Why? Because I don’t intend this to be a call-out post. If you were quoted but not attributed and want to have your name next to your comment, let me know and I’ll change that. But please, read this post as what it is: An observation of things that might need to change.”


Every time anybody writes an article, a post, a newspaper publication or a comment about a topic that has potential to be discussed there will be people who start fighting for one of the sides. In almost every case, it turns into ”them against us”, which makes every bit of intelligent discussion impossible. Once you’ve determined that the opposite viewpoint is inherently evil, everything inside you will refuse to even think about the possibility that some points the other person makes are actually true.

This black and white thinking doesn’t help anyone. It leads to constant fights that can drag for hours upon hours without a productive result because none of the parties involved is willing to even touch the gray area.

I’m not saying that I haven’t done this myself. I still catch myself doing it. It requires reflection on your own beliefs and the things you consider facts to accept views that differ from yours. I try to include that in most of my scientific articles, that discuss the pros and cons of things like cannabis.

But it’s not my own beliefs that get in the way, it’s the expectation of others too. Because black and white thinking is so common and widespread, it seems almost impossible to most people that you agree with one thing, but also agree with the thing that is usually seen as the exact opposite.@suesa
Personally, I’m an advocate of both, modern and alternative medicine. Because both, the pills and the herbs, have their time and place. I won’t fight a light cold with antibiotics (which is dumb anyway, because a cold is usually induced by a virus and a virus can’t be killed by antibiotics). I will drink some herbal tea and stay in bed. On the other hand, I won’t treat my thyroid hypofunction with “organic food”. My mom almost exclusively cooked from scratch and we had a plant-based diet while I was growing up. I still developed this hormone deficiency.

The synthetic hormones help me function and without them, my body and I are pretty messed up. A time and place for both.

I tried to convey that in my article about “Plants vs. Pharmaceuticals”, which lead to four kinds of reactions:

  1. The ”Yes, I prefer herbs too!” Faction

Good Post. Nature gave us everything but man expects something more. In this process, we are damaging the nature plants and running for pharmaceuticals. Very sad.

Correct friend the medicinal plants are going to be always healthier than those medicines that they sell in order to make money for them and many of those medicines have addictive drugs like sleeping relaxers, good post

I don’t know if they didn’t read the post or just fell victim to the “she agrees with one thing, she must agree with the other one!” fallacy.

  1. The “Yes, a combination is probably best, but the real problem is the people.”* Faction

[…] As a scientist it is also nice to see someone acknowledging that some herbal medicines have their place, but it is context specific, and that simply because something is natural does not make it benevolent or fantastic.
Too often I see scientists and science enthusiasts being obsessive and arrogant about anything being naturally derived and downplaying and validity or legitimacy to plants/fungi/fermented products only to tow a line they do not properly understand. It is as if they cannot bear to yield an inch of ground, and so are intellectually dishonest with themselves and others, while simultaneously accusing others of that very thing. To see a more reasoned stance portrayed in this article is a welcome change from false-dichotomies and finger pointing. Cheers! @molecular-wizard

[…] I do think/know that some herbal remedies work. The problem is there is the assumption and cult like belief that there is a herbal remedy for every ailment. Even genius like Steve Jobs used herbal treatments for cancer. On the other hand, preventing disease using diet has a growing amount quantitive data backing it. There's more than enough proof for us to overhaul our ag-industry. I'm all for dietary prevention of diseases. @unicornvomit

[…] I think there is use for both medicine and herbs. For example if I have a simple cold I would try to cure it with herbal teas, vit C, echinacea, ginger. Same with stress - some chamomile or mint tea wold work perfectly! And of course for some serious illness people should seek medical help along with taking medicines. @sunnydidi

This faction is the good example. For one, they actually read the post (which can’t be said for the majority of those who comment, sadly) and they also manage to break from the “black and white” mold. To my delight, there was a huge amount of comments like these, so I still have some faith in humanity.

  1. The “OMG YOU ARE SO BRAINWASHED!”* Faction

That said, you should do more research into how much harm the pharma industry inflicts. 100,000 per year die from opioids alone, killing our vital organs such as livers and stomachs, designed to get you addicted. That's a million per decade, genocidal proportions. And it is, genocide of the foolish peasants by the all-knowing, all-powerful elite. Then they have the anti-psychotics and psychiatric drugs which are zombifying our people across the globe, targeting our minds and souls and is directly connected to all these mass shootings... And you want to demonize plants? When it comes to cancer? […]

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  1. The “Thanks, I didn’t think about it this way but it sounds smart.”* Faction

Wow! I used to have a theory that eating fruits and taking herbs in place of drugs are better than taking the modern medicines itself, the Post has made me to understand better though.. I will have to see my doctor for more prescription and advice. Thanks so much for this post, I have learnt a lot. @kingsclot

Very interesting and eye-opening article. I believe in herbal medicine as I live in a place where medicines are very costly. But then, you opened me to a whole new perspective of trusting modern medicine and having a balanced view of herbal medicine. @yadah04

These people are my favorites. Why? Because they’re willing to take in new information, evaluate it and change their way of thinking. Furthermore, both of them sound like they’ll be doing their own research on this now, using the help of professionals. That’s like how it’s supposed to be. If you’re not a professional in an area, find someone who is and discuss things. Be open to new perspectives.


Funny enough, I originally had a 5th group of people prepared, the ”Herbs are evil!” faction. But I couldn’t find a single (non-joking) comment, that held this belief. Some might have had a tendency towards pharmaceuticals, but always acknowledged that there are a time and place for plant-based medicine.

This is rare as, in my experience, both sides are usually very firm about their point of view. Then again, this topic might not have been as controversial as I first believed it to be. The problem is, that a lot of people reject everything that is even slightly attached to a governmental agency or another kind of higher authority.

And I get that! I don’t want the government to decide what I can do with my money, if I am allowed to buy Steem, if I can produce my own electricity or if I can not watch public TV and thus not pay for it (Everyone living in Germany has to pay a monthly “fee” for public TV and radio, it’s a bit annoying).

But you know what? I still think taxes are important, I still think health care should be universal and especially government funded. I don’t have to worry that I might be in debt forever if I break my leg or, god forbid, become pregnant and have a child! Pharmaceutical companies here can’t raise drug prices as much as they can in the USA, which leads to less abuse on their part (in my opinion at least).

This might also explain why most people who are radically against pharmaceuticals are usually (not always) from the USA: The health system sucks. But don’t blame it on the pharmaceuticals themselves, don’t blame it on the scientists.


This went almost off-topic for a moment, I’m sorry but I had to get it off my chest.

What I’m trying to say with this whole post is, you should try to get away from that black and white thinking. It might apply in some cases (there is no good side of pedophilia for example), but by far not in every case. And it keeps you from growing as a person.

Stop thinking that one point of view excludes another one. It keeps you from seeing the whole picture. And life is much more interesting if you have the whole picture.

~Suesa


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Ever since I learnt about cognitive dissonance I've been consciously battling with it. Like, during brexit and the snap election, I followed both Left and Right / Yes and No leaders and parties, and subscribe to centrist youtubers so I could get as much balance as possible.

What I found was my position just ended up getting lost, and that really highlights why cognitive dissonance is so prevalent. It's just really hard to go against your beliefs and comfort zone.

I guess it takes up too much physical energy for your brain to bother dealing with, unless you give it sufficient exercise.

I do believe I've improved but it'll take a lifetime to be truly balanced

P.S. Probably read my last post before this one....yeah kinda sorry about the order thing...
@mobbs, Read above first...
Fuck you!
Truth is what other's believe.
Worst part is....
What you believe is truth.
Also fuck you because balanced is amazingly excessively not close enough ....and yep, I'm to drunk so goodnight and...

What just happened here? @mobbs gave quite a great comment on a even more great summery of how people are reacting to @suesa's last post. What were you thinking when writing this @iforge:P
I am not at all trying to be negative here, just super curious why one would be willing to press enter after typing this :P It it was meant as artform, I didnt say anything.


t.

Awesome reply, so much more entertaining than a flagging or flaming.

If by artform you ment, overly intoxicated reply to an amazing post about belief system's that really struck me, then yeah, it was very artsy.
Cheers mate.

Well, in your defense, isn't most art created that way? But maybe It's an idea to keep somewhat negative artworks for yourself =p. Cheers!


t.

"guess it takes up too much physical energy for your brain to bother dealing with, unless you give it sufficient exercise."

Try mushrooms.

I have been trying to do the same, especially in politics where the emotional/moral value component is important (compared to say, medicine, where opinions should have less weight than objective facts).
I agree with you when you say your opinion tend to get lost in the process. I mostly read articles that go against my political views (because i don't see the point of reading my own opinion over and over). As a result i just end up seeing the contradictions across the whole spectrum, which leaves you in a weird gray zone.
In some way that's probably the right stance: understanding that if political views don't all have the same objective value, none are perfect. The downside of that is that it could just leave you completely unsatisfied with anything (especially when it comes to voting).

I never really thought that the post of yesterday would cause so much commotion. Am also glad you wrote this post because I was not able to read through all the comments of yesterday but with this post I now know what really happened.

I don't really know why some people can't be open, don't they know that life is all about change and that life is a learning process?

When you are open to other peoples ideas you learn a lot. But when you don't, you will live in ignorance.

You post of yesterday really served as an eye opener.

Thank you for taking out your time to address this issue and for telling us your view

I have a huge respect for your take on such matters!

I notice on myself that I often fall victim to black white thinking and taking opinions for granted without reflection. And I think steem is the perfect place to combat this. Here is no filter bubble, all kinds of viewpoints come together and that is a good thing.

There are many users here who actively embrace other viewpoints and some of the discussions here are pretty amazing, just by how respectful people can discuss things with one another, even if they disagree.

I mean we have our fair share of bad apples and mud fights, but I have hope for all our users who use this platform to advance themselves. And I am trying to learn from them each and every day.

Let us all learn a thing or two from each other :)

Great comment, straight to the core of the problem. Mutual respect is the only way! When there is mutual respect, good debate could arise. But unfortunately most people today lack emphaty and respect, so we live in a society of self-proclaimed gurus and experts that can't lead a constructive debate. And then there is Steemit. :)

Steemit had actually made this possible the world claims a whole deal of segregation and separations slap racism, it's not like Facebook where there is a limit to who you can talk too, and that's the beauty of the blockchain so many things have been achieved here, and many more due to the fact that everybody is within reach of each fellow user and their opinion.

Fantastic post here

I joined steemit a few days ago in the hopes of finding this sort of level headed, rational argument. Glad I found your blog. I hope that articles like these open people's eyes to how harmful this type of polarized thinking can be.

Thanks again.

Welcome to steem :)

There are many users here who go inte heated discussions, as everywhere else. But the concentration of level headed discussions is way stronger. So if you find the right people, this is the perfect place to find what you are looking for :)

Cheers :)
To be honest, I've been having a hard time finding good people to follow. This comment section appears to be a gold mine. Looking forward to engaging in some heated (and level headed) debates!

You can come to steemit.chat and give me a holler in the #general channel, I could introduce you to a bunch of people ^^

Ah, I didn't even know there was a chat. It's 7am, so I need to get to bed, but will definitely take you up on that when I wake up :)

I actually did work at a pharmaceutical company for 3 years (laboratory worker mostly) and I do have some insight on it. The truth is somewhere in the middle. Yes, pharmaceutical lobby is strong but most of the medications are actually good. We did mostly generical products (products which patents expired) but we also did all sorts of pills for Pfeizer, Bayer, etc. As an ex-pharmaceutical worker I have an opinion that everything that could help a human being survive is good in a subjective manner. (and our life itself is subjective - it is ours) Great article!

I have a similar background as yours. There's definitely a middle ground to find about the pharmaceutical industry, but i don't think that its SPECIFICALLY more evil than any other industry.
Big pharmas are useful for society and generally very efficient at what they do, but it's also true that some decisions (to discontinue the production of a drugs, to end a promising project because the market is too small...) are made out of pure greed. This is true for any tech industry (with planned obsolescence and its impact on the environment for example).
The real question here is: should health be just another industry following a capitalistic logic or should the dynamic and rules be different ? I don't have the answer but i think that's how we should consider the problem.

I can only say on steemit the black and white are moderated, in other places in the wild wild west of internet, the opposing team always comes running your end with a Mack truck speeding at 200mph :)
I always like to see a balanced opposing view of things, but being open-minded is something that is almost getting as rare as a hen's teeth; main reason you would never catch me in a religious discussion.

Good guy or bad guy; with me or against me; friend or foe; right or wrong; love versus hate; yin and yang.
Our minds seem to like simple categorical ways to divide up information in the world. This is kind of interesting given how terribly complex and nuanced most things are - especially in our social lives.
@suesa thanks for a such a lovely post...
#respect

It is easier to divide things in two, that way you can think more about destroying the other than about what they actually are.

One of our greatest challenges is to overcome this thinking each and every day again.

Yeah thats true.

I was reading through your comments and I can see where this is coming from. Most people seem to have tendencies for black and white thinking, especially on some topics - even though we enjoy thinking we are being completely objective and taking all points of view in consideration.

Or not only points of view, but facts. It's easy to try to seek out the facts from different things (like herbal medicine) and only pick the ones which support your point of view.

One of the issues with US is that how competition is controlled. Famous case with Daraprim is a great example of this: in other countries you can find generic medication for 0.05 to 0.10 USD per pill, while the price increase was 13.50 to 750 USD. Reading this from Wikipedia, but it's mentioned on several articles too.
However some people are seeing this blindly from the perspective of their ideology instead of taking facts in consideration. They might blame evil capitalism, free markets and require government control. However, with free markets I would assume someone could buy the generic versions of the medicine..

This went a bit off the tracks though.

Someone who agrees that we should look past simply black and white...

This might also explain why most people who are radically against pharmaceuticals are usually (not always) from the USA: The health system sucks. But don’t blame it on the pharmaceuticals themselves, don’t blame it on the scientists.

I think you hit the nail in the head with this, haven't though about it that way. Also, despite being one of the biggest economies in the world, their educational system is terribly lacking. Combine the two and you get all sorts of fanaticism and recalcitrant unjustified hatred towards what they don't understand, instead of curiosity and desire to research their options.

Great post as per usual :-)