Let's Talk About Sex

in #sex8 years ago (edited)

After a fantastic time of intimacy with my wife, I thought about how utterly ridiculous most of our social taboos concerning sex discussions are. Think about this for a moment:

What is the number one driving motivation of not only our species but almost every conscious species on the planet?

SEX.

The propagation of our genes is, essentially, the meaning of life. So many of the good feelings and bad feelings we feel could be explained, although rather precariously, via evolutionary psychology and the driving need to get laid. Almost every sexual species does absolutely incredible things in order to propagate their genes, and we are no exception, though we do tell ourselves stories to the contrary. It's essentially one of the most important motivations in our lives (excluding the ~1% of the population which is asexual). When we shut it out or don't get enough or have it distorted in some way, it almost invariably leads to depression and frustration.

Why don't we talk more openly about something which is so important to our wellbeing?

In the west, I imagine our puritan, patriarchal roots influence our lack of openness about the subject. That does not excuse us.

Why, in this day and age, is it more socially acceptable to talk about the weather or a sports game than to talk about something which really matters, like intimacy with our lovers? Is it simply because sexuality is inherently private by nature (other animals on the planet would disagree) or are our attitudes driven more by cultural norms which we ourselves create? Talking about sex or the weather: Which one really matters more to us?

I have a hunch it has to do with how terrible many men are at truly pleasing and satiating their woman. I think it’s possible many men are deeply insecure in this area and don’t know how to address it. There’s no manual for being a great lover and most fathers are completely absent when it comes to a proper sex education for their sons. And no, I'm not just talking about the birds and the bees conversation or how this part goes into that hole. I'm talking about sharing a lifetime of wisdom gained about the female human body and how accomplishing the pleasure of that body is hugely beneficial toward living a fulfilled life.

I realize I’m painting with a broad brush here and talking in generalities. Statistically and based on evolutionary pressure up to this point to favor horniness and sex, I’m going to argue these stereotypes about our great desire for sex have a lot of truth to them. So many things like getting a great job, owning a nice home, driving a nice car, wearing nice clothes, staying well-groomed, etc, etc could be traced back to the desire for some consistent nookie.

Do you know what one of the primary causes of divorce and relational problems is? Many say money when asked, but broke people having mind blowing sex are often quite happy. The main reason, I believe, is the lack of regular, powerful, fulfilling, intimate union. Sure there are many other reasons (communication being chief among them), but the reasons we feel “in love” are due to known chemicals in the brain which sex has a major role in influencing.

If you're confused about what "love" actually is, give this video a watch:

Many men are insecure and turning to porn to meet their needs while women are unsatisfied and frustrated. So few people teach newly married men how to cherish their wives and take things slow. They don't understand the importance of stimulating specific anatomy in particular ways instead of just "sticking it in there." They don't master the desires of their spouse while also taking risks to introduce something new which might be a total flop. They don't do endless hours of research learning about what most women really want, even if their partner doesn't realize it or doesn't know how to ask for it. They also don't spend the time to get to know their specific partner and how they might be different from every other woman on the planet, defying every known stereotype and label. (And no, porn is most likely not a valid form of "research" when it comes to truly understanding human sexuality.)

True intimacy between lovers is so powerful for making the rest of the world's problems seem trivial, that we truly need to do better. The power of sex has been taken by religious leaders as a tool for shame and control. It has been used by governments to restrict and contain. It has been used by men and women as a manipulative weapon.

We can do better.

What's the worst that can happen if we started taking more openly about our sex lives? Maybe many already do, and I’m just projecting my previous perspective formed by a conservative upbringing on the world around me, but it seems to me this isn’t a common conversation between friends:

"Man, my wife and I had a really amazing night last night. We tried some new things that really worked out well and one thing that was a total flop and had us both laughing. How have you been doing lately?"

Why does this feel so weird to many of us? Is sex something which should remain private and undiscussed, even though it’s so important to our most meaningful relationships? Why are many of our views about sex so distorted? Why is sex portrayed in such twisted, unrealistic ways in our media-driven culture? Why are movies and TV shows displaying horrific violence so common place while displays of two humans enjoying each other is considered dirty and wrong?

How perverted is that?

I think we should be honest about the power of sex which drives reproduction on this planet and strive to improve our abilities within our relationships. As with any form of education, accurate communication is key. If we don’t talk about it, how will we improve?

How often do you talk about sex with your friends and family?

Do you think our perspectives on sexuality would improve if we all talked about it more openly?

LukeStokes01712.png

Photo Credit: self portrait by my wife, @corinnestokes, used with permission. See her 3 part series on Diastasis Recti to fully understand that smile.

Sort:  

Great write up Luke and props to your wife for showing off her sexy body in the photo. Good for you guys. You are absolutely right. It is so weird that someone getting chopped to pieces can be shown on TV but then it is considered bad if a nipple is shown. It is silly.
Having good sex with an amazing woman makes me feel like a god king. It is good for us and the way it gets played off is that you are bad for wanting that. Women worry about being shamed for having sex....it is BS.

The only times sex really gets talked about with friends is with other guys for the most part. Sometimes I will talk to a girl about sex that I'm not interested in sexually but it is very mild and not a lot of detail. I think especially if women talked about it more it would help them realize that it is ok to be horny and want a hot man in their bed. LOL

Read and followed Corinne. What a horrible time. I'd never heard of it either.

Thanks Matt! She was happy to hear your comment. :)

Thanks Brian. I absolutely love this comment:

Having good sex with an amazing woman makes me feel like a god king.

This is SO true. I think it's hard-wired into us. Pleasing a woman gives us purpose and a deep sense of meaningful fulfillment in life.

I'm glad to know you talk about sex with friends. I think that's a start to changing the stigmas about that topic.

May I ask in what country you grew up ?
I was raised in a very liberal environment in Vienna Europe , speak up about the weather the same way as I speak about sex . I don't understand what's the point ? "Enjoy life as you wish " is it , right ? I personally love to have secrets and my life, including sexual preference is nobody's business. Privacy is sexy !

I grew up in southern California in the US under a religious, conservative family. It's rare to hear people talking about sex in a healthy, open way, but I also recognize much of that perception may be just my own experience. It's actually encouraging to hear how people in Europe are not hung up by these things and, as you said, there is also some sexiness to private intimacy. Thanks for your comment. :)

The saddest fallout of all the taboo is there are many women never learned how to pleasure themselves fully or to give the proper feedback to their lovers what brings them to climax.

If it's too "shameful" to cum I think a step back and a re-evaluation of your life choices is in order.

Very well said, @dgiors. From a very young age girls are shamed with "Don't touch there!" as if it might end the universe. We're at least trying to teach our girls that some things are meant to be private, but it's sad to see how much of these negative things are brought about through society and culture and aren't seen as "bad" at all from a purely natural perspective.

You sound like a cool responsible parent. Well done!

Thanks. I guess we'll find out a decade or two from now how we did. :)

Do your children go to school or is it likely that they will?

We school our kids at home. We've already had some unfortunate interactions with neighbors who were influenced by "kids on the bus" who found their father's porn collection and, as a result, have a really dysfunctional view of human sexuality that is especially confusing for young minds still working to develop and understanding of the world. We had to get some books to help them understand things a little sooner than we had planned, I think.

Oh Good~
School is the worst thing that happens to most people and a far from ideal thing for just about everyone.
It is also one of the worst things that ever happen to us and you are hopefully saving them from that.
Wish you the best on it. I am an international speaker on unschooling and homeschooling. A true passion of mine.
Blessings~*~

Very cool! Followed. We're currently doing a form of loose schooling, not full unschooling (yet). I've read Peter Gray's Free to Learn, and I'm pushing @corinnestokes to become more comfortable with unschooling as I learn more. For the most part, she wants to ensure they know the basics (reading, writing, math) while letting them explore their own passions beyond that.

Life is a process. As long as you feel you are consciously questioning, experimenting and reconsidering every day, then you are on the right track!
I don't write much about the parenting stuff because there isn't much interest in it here on Steemit Currently. Though it is one of my main passions and a part of my every day life.
I have traveled around the world speaking at conferences, doing workshops and consulting on parenting/education.
As I see it all the worlds problems start with parenting. Thus all solutions exist in New Paradigm Parenting~*~

It's because how the media and society protrays sex. It looked at like something we should all be guilty of, but in actuality, it's a normal thing that most humans do in the world. Especially if it is to breed more children, and I honestly don't feel bad about talking about it with friends.

That's very encouraging to me to hear you do talk about it with friends. I'm trying to explore how much of this perspective I have is my own social upbringing and how much of it is a cultural problem which needs to be adjusted and changed in our society.

The power of sex has been taken by religious leaders as a tool for shame and control. It has been used by governments to restrict and contain.

Sad but true how religious leaders and governments have brainwashed many a mind about sex .

Controlling powerful forces leads to more power, and they know just how powerful a force the human sex drive is.

Excellent, @lukestokes! I can't wait to come back and comment on this when I have more time to be thoughtful. This is an interesting and important issue/question you've raised.

Cool! Looking forward to your thoughts. Hope you're doing well.

Very interesting article with several points that could lead to discussions.

I am no expert but I'll throw a few things out there.

It's debatable if there are any other conscious species on the planet. I'm not sure we've actually defined the term conscious yet. People seem to have different ideas of what it exactly is.

Thinking in terms of Evolutionary Psychology, maybe we have sex in a cave rather than a field has something to do with how long we are in the act. When we are, we're in a vulnerable position and we're signaling that we are interested in sex. (If I recall, other animals sex act duration is short.) That signal would have some sort of affect on the thinking of the other members of the tribe. It can take up to 5 days from sex to conception and if someone else in the tribe wants to have children (instinctively), he may want to have sex with the same woman and the other man may end up raising the child. I think I've read that other animals employ such a strategy. Anyway just my thoughts and maybe an avenue of research for some EvoPsych postdoc out there!

Yes, consciousness is still being defined, but I was going with the more generic "the state of being awake and aware of one's surroundings" definition. Many animals are incredibly self-aware. Dolphins, for example, pass the mirror test, morn their dead, have all kinds of interesting sexual practices, etc. It's an interesting discussion.

Interesting thought about the length of the act. Would that suggest humans are unique in their approach to sex? That might be an interesting study, for sure.

I thoroughly, thoroughly enjoyed reading this. So much so that it aroused me slightly.

I also think that one thing you failed to mention was that the reverse is true also, women expecting their partners to know what they want and get frustrated internally when they don't - all my past relationships were total flops. Only my [now] wife played the long game, trained me, allowed me to grow and learn for myself. In turn I will pass this onto my son, who will hopefully be super respectful to his partner.

There is a lot to be said about conquering your partners body. A lovely way to put it

I'm glad you enjoyed it. The cliche is women want men to understand them and "read their minds" becuase sex for them is about intimacy and emotion, not just body movements. My wife and I talk about this, and sometimes the challenge is she doesn't know what she wants. She trusts me to discover it for her and what worked yesterday might flop today. It can be very frustrating for both partners, but it can also be looked at as a journey with no final destination. Getting there and figuring it out is the fun. :)

Ah, this is truly the way to live life. Not just in sex mind you :)

I really wish I'd gotten at least the birds & the bees from my dad. He will still just clam up and turn red if I even get close to the subject. I've tried to be more open with my kids, but I'm not sure I've done a really great job on that count so far. I had a discussion with 3 of them in the car the other day where I think I successfully conveyed the idea to the younger two that masterbation is a totally normal thing for people to do. Man, I offered up a lot of prayers for that "sin" when I was a kid...

I think part of my reticence stems from the fact that I don't feel like a knowledge expert on the subject. I've read a lot and Cara and I had done a lot of things, but we've been married to eachother for our entire adult lives. I'm wary of sample size introducing biases that aren't generally true.

And then there's the adage "a gentleman doesn't kiss and tell" which I think is designed to keep boys from having the sorts of conversations Donald Trump and Billy Bush did that torpedoed Trump's campaign. Would you say that sort of sex talk falls under what you're trying to advocate? Should we laud Trump for speaking freely and openly about his non-monogamous lifestyle?

Should we laud Trump for speaking freely and openly about his non-monogamous lifestyle?

That's a really interesting question. Personally, where my thinking is now, I wouldn't laud anyone who aims to rule over others with the power of government. Most of them seem to me to be power-hungry sociopaths. Also, the nature of his actions seem to be quite demeaning to women (even if he claims "and they let you do it" when you're a celebrity).

I'd rather not talk about Trump because it distracts from what I think is more real: How should you and I talk about it? How should our wives? What about our family, friends, and neighbors? If polyamory or non-monogamous lifestyle leads to increased human wellbeing, is that something we should all consider and explore? Are we only held back by the residue of religious norms about human sexuality? I'm reading some books on this stuff, and it's possible the version of "husband and wife" we live here in the West isn't exactly "normal" when you look at the full span of human history.

My preference would be to ensure no topics are off the table and everything can be evaluated, analyzed, and considered. I'd love to live in a world where shame, guilt, and ostracism are saved for truly immoral behavior. That, of course, requires we actually agree on what immorality is. For me, it means violating the non-aggression principle. Not because I dogmatically believe that's the be-all-end-all of human ethics, but because it's the best model I have found so far. If we could have open conversations about sex, what would society look like?

To take it even a step deeper, what about our kids? Sex is a powerful, powerful thing. Should that power be unleashed by teenagers who's brains aren't fully developed? Could they do harm to themselves with that power which they later regret?

All interesting questions. I agree, education is the start. And yes, sample size does become a problem, especially if the conversations aren't allowed.

The Trump conversation was brought up to illustrate the point that if the topic of sex loses it's stigma then not everyone is going to talk about it the way we would.

While I've made the effort to not follow in my dad's footsteps with my kids, I haven't really with other guys. I don't know how you and I should talk about it. (Cara is very private and actually admonished me not to post anything too personal here.) I think I probably could have saved myself a lot of trial and error over the years had I taken the time to compare experiences with other guys.

How should our wives? Again, comparing experiences could save a lot of trial and error. Of course I'd be embarrassed by them commiserating over my and your mistakes in bed, but I'd get over it.

As to wider circles I guess it would depend on whether it was pertinent. I had a coworker who loved recounting tales of his sex life which never really bothered me, although he had a much larger sample set. He never pushed me too hard to share either, so the conversation was fairly one sided and focused more on the art of seduction than particulars of the act. It also never happened when there were any female coworkers around.

Polyamory is, I think, not more widely consider for the non-religious reason of jealousy. This is probably rooted somewhat in the idea that one's mate is one's property, but not sure that even getting beyond that culturally would end the potential for jealousy. I've read that compersion is a healthier response and people have been able to get beyond jealousy in a variety of other situations. If the non-aggression principle implies that people cannot be property in the sense that one cannot own the body or labor of another, then non-monogamous relationships cannot be immoral. The question becomes murkier, I think, when deception is involved, but I haven't seen a good argument that the non-aggression principle implies lying is immoral and if there is no property involved (because people can't own eachother) then I don't think it's fraud either. But lines of thought such as this are the reason libertarians are often accused of being libertines!

if the topic of sex loses it's stigma then not everyone is going to talk about it the way we would.

Very true.

I recently read the book Sex and Dawn which you might appreciate. As for posting or talking about this stuff, I'd definitely get the permission of my spouse first because that is a very intimate, private act. Unless they are comfortable talking about it, I won't be comfortable talking about it.

I think fraud and trust go beyond property rights into tribal norms, game theory, and such. You can read more of my thoughts about that here, if interested.

You know how you read a post and it's so momentous and you're so excited about it that you want to write a reply that properly reflects as such, but that kind of reply takes more time and you're busy and so days go by and you've not responded to the most important post you read all week? That's what happened here for me. I am way late to the party, but damn I just love this post! Yes, yes, yes! I agree with most everything you say here, Luke, and I am so freaking proud of you and especially the lovely Corine Stokes! She looks amazing (look at that all better, pretty little tummy!!) and she looks happy.

As you say here sex is a key motivator of many things that we do in life, and yet we blush and shrug our shoulders like "well, I don't know" when someone asks us about our sex life.

I understand your assertion that a partial reason for the lack of a satisfying sex life is the guy's lagging commitment to mastering certain skills. In some cases that's true, and I appreciate your effort there to claim responsibility on any part you can as a male. But to me the key element in a satisfying sex life is connection, intimacy, vulnerability, and complete transparency. Because no matter how much a guy works on mastering his technique, if his partner is closed off, not being honest, blocking his efforts at intimacy then all of his skill mastering efforts will fall short of bringing them closer.

Sex is HUGELY important part of my relationship with Sean. Yes, I openly and happily admit that. While we preach safe sex to our kids, and not abstinence, we don't, however, openly talk about our own sex life with them. I've been afraid it would make them uncomfortable (ewww...my parents having sex is a gross kind of thing), but now I see withholding that important part of our life is only propagating keeping sex talk weird.

So while I'm not going to just start spilling all the juicy details with my kids, I will begin to notice when I'm tempted to hide or withhold from them on this subject. thank you for helping me see that so I can be mindful how I proceed on that topic as a parent.

Anyways, I'm rambly today but damn great post and I'm grateful for your openness, your willingness to lead here on this subject in general, and for bringing awareness to how open we are about our own sex lives so hopefully we can all re-evaluate our default ways and go forward with clearer intentions.

Thank you for such a wonderful reply. :)

I have a friend who is a professional sexologist, and I remember how awkward it was at first within our community when he talked openly about sex. Gradually I started to realize he was being normal, and my thinking was weird. At the same time, I remember the discussions about raising their children, and I had to wonder if the open talk about sex ("Mom and Dad have a sex date tonight, so you are going to stay with your cousins" type stuff) led to other problems and interests which made this more difficult... I don't really know, and it's further complicated by their religious worldview which adds more aspects to the discussion (definitely an abstinence stance there).

It's a complicated thing as a parent to figure out. I don't have answers, but I'm learning all I can from those who have done it well.

Thanks again for such an encouraging, heartfelt response. :)

First thing each day when I wake I read from a wisdom book. Currently it's Osho, The Tantra Experience. Oddly but often the section that I read has something to do with what happened in my life the day before...here is the passage I read this morning:

“The ascetic fights sex energy, and through that fighting he starts falling away from God, falling away from life, falling away from the vital source of life, and then there are perversions – bound to be. The more you fight with something, the more perverted you become, and then you start finding tricks, back doors to enter into it again.”

And then:

“But the irony is that the ascetic thinks that the Tantrika is obsessed, the ascetic thinks that the Tantrikas talk about sex. "Why do they talk about sex?” – but the real obsession is in the ascetic. He does not talk about it – or even if he talks about it he only talks to condemn it – but he continually thinks about it. His mind goes on reeling around and around it”