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RE: Proposal: Refund 40K USD to make up for missing funds since 22.8888 - 원숭이도 나무에서 떨어진다
I appreciate all the work that you have done for this blockchain and am truly sad to see you part ways like this.
But how is 22.888 different than the selective airdrop done by hive? In fact i think hive blocked even more accounts than what the steem witnesses have done.
Until the hive witnesses agree that its essentially the same thing (and please throw out the straw man on decentralization. I dont see how its any different for both sides), i dont think theres anything that can be done here.
It’s different. Hive is a new coin and was given as reward to those who didn’t support centralisation. 22.8888 is rejecting access to existing coins already owned by the victims. 22.8888 is like locking your bank account from money you used to own.
It's a different opinion and we can agree to disagree. The old witnesses also froze justin's assets initially. I have my doubts about justin but this is just illegal as well.
Ignorance is no place to stand on.
Different than some of the more reasoned takes here, your post smells pretty ignorant too.
The reason for the proposal system on Hive is the stake having been used to attack the chain. That stake can't be restored in a fork or the chain would still be in an attacked state. The whole point of the fork is to remove the bad actor (much of this was written about a good 13 years ago, but it's dry and boring reading, you might be able to find some of the old videos of Dan Larimer talking through it). To argue their case for getting an airdrop, there would presumably need to be a discussion about attacking the chain. The evidence for what stake voted a single entity into holding multiple witness positions is on this blockchain. A single entity holding multiple witness positions is the definition of an attack on DPoS.
Where's the evidence that reolandp's stake was used in an attack against this chain?
He was told to create a proposal if he wanted to try and get his stake back... his existing actual account. Airdrops to a new account on a new blockchain can't be assumed - especially in cases where stake was used to attack a block chain. They are very different things, but roeland is still doing as asked by creating a proposal.
What is the reason his stake has been restricted? The people who didn't get an airdrop were given a clear reason. Clear rules were created. Those rules were in line with ending the attack. Where are the clear rules for 22.8888, and were they consistently applied to all accounts?
I appreciate the reasoned response vs some of the other ones that include racist comments. "Attack on the network" can be a subjective interpretation. If certain users are spamming the network, milking the reward system through meaningless self voting, and actively spreading propoganda on a blockchain network, wouldnt it be considered an attack? And im not saying this witness did all that but if he was a major part of the "coup" and indirectly supporting these actions i think there is a case.
The clear rules for 22.888 were announced - i cannot find it right now. Im not in 100% agreement but i think it was certainly more objective and less damaging than the hive fork.
This is a decentralized network and he can certainly make his case. But i wish everyone would have correct information before rushing to the scene after hearing one side of the story.
No. When talking about attacks on blockchains it's generally about the consensus mechanism, not some content/reward disagreements on this particular one. Even transaction spam is not an attack, as there's systems built in to mitigate those (fees/RC).
One entity taking over the block production on the other hand...
But you don't even get how one person running all production nodes is different from a diverse group doing so, so you probably won't follow my reasoning anyway.
And your "clear rules" cover about 80-90% of all active accounts. >10k people voted on the top community witnesses, they are all covered by the criteria. They froze 8.
Im probably not going to persuade you over my post, i disagree that spamming is not an attack on the network. If i recall correctly, there have been ddos attacks that made the network unstable following the separation of the two chains as well.
Whats your point about 8 accounts? Are you saying they should have froze more accounts according to the definition?
DDoS attacks are different from spamming, and don't go against a network but against single nodes. I'm sorry that this is highly technical, and not even your current witnesses understand the clear definitions. But mixing up all these terms and acting based on your conclusions, makes you look really bad in the eyes of everyone who understands the technology. I'm not trying to convince you, I'm only explaining.
And yes, they should have frozen a lot more by their criteria. The selection is completely arbitrary.
Im by no means a tech so the specific distinctions escape me. Your opinion is certainly an interesting one. Thanks for sharing.
That's the main reason some people are still on steem and arguing the way you do - they don't really understand the tech.
As it is right now, there is no difference between a database like facebook is using, and the steem blockchain. That's why all the tech people went and forked hive. Those who don't mind this because they don't really see a difference can of course keep telling everyone else how wrong they are and stay here, but I'm happy for everyone who could make up their opinion due to education. You don't have to be stuck with a failing project.
You made your contributions to this place and i am sad to see you guys leave and at the same time respect your decisions. I however disagree with the way you guys are "milking the cow" on the way out. You are certainly entitled to it but i disagree with it.
I also am upbeat about the future of this place. You will likely disagree but thats just my opinion. Justin wont be around forever and if thats true it probably means this place has succeeded and he has exited. It will be an interesting social experiment to see the fate of the two platforms. Sort of like a parallel universe if you will. Only time will tell who was right. Good luck.
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100% agreeing with your comment, I stated this nearly hundred times before, but nobody is keen to accept this, they just staying blind ;)