RE: Vote Bots: Great tool or destroying the SteemIt community?
As I am a super noob myself, I just started learning about bots. I honestly did not come to steemit for the money and will not start publishing %#&@ just for the payout. That said, I won't turn down payouts, but it's not my main incentive here.
In my opinion, the 7 day post limit is a large part of the problem. People (sometimes) work hard on a post and time just swooshes by and nobody noticed it. In contrast, an YouTube channel can and will bring money even on 3 year old videos. In other words, there's value in accumulated content.
The current steemit system encourages constantly pushing out stuff, regardless of what your reality might be. Suppose you're in a car crash and cannot post for a month. No payout. All the while your video channel continues to generate income.
I find that mildly insulting; although I understand the reasons, I'm sure a technical solution was a more appropriate than a silly restriction.
If I wanted to exploit the system, I'd make a separate account and use that just for play. Otherwise it's just too embarrassing, at least for me, scratching for every penny when content must be king.
As a matter of fact, I tested a few bots and considered joining Qurator, but after reading what you have to say, I'm not even sure about that. I'd much rather be included in the weekly homesteading newsletter, than to rely on hacks for exposure.
Thank you for writing this, you gave me food for thought. I guess I can consider myself a purist... Or an idealist?
@bobydimitrov I agree with the problem of the 7 days. Its a big obstacle and makes one want to split a quality content into may small pieces, so that one can keep up with the pressure of daily prsesence. How does the community feel about reposting a long, in depth, old post, that, lets say is already 3, or 6 month old, or even a whole year? Would this be a solution to make the rewards for a post last longer?
Reposting would get you votes from Cheetah, and then the steamcleaners would eventually come and flag your duplicate posts...thick politics ;) Reposting highly frowned upon.
I do agree however, that the 7 day window for upvotes could be longer. Not sure how they would make that happen, but if say all posts on one's page had a payout every 7 days. I know there are many very good posts that I find around day 20, or months, even a year later that I would love to upvote.
Hi @elew. I recntly got informed about and into Cheetah and also steamcleaners, well it was actually the other way around. It was when I encountered my first heavy abuse of steemit, where a user was ONLY posting compy / pasted stuff from all over the internet. Good to have these guards working in the community!
Yet as @bobydimitrov said I hope the community will find out a way of not locking down older than 7 days content for ever. It just is not right, A good article has value for a very very long time. And this should be mirrored her in our community as well.
hehe, and then there is @gentlebot, who just roams around Steemit looking for good comments, and upvotes them. No schemes, no payments, just a little appreciation. Gentlebot is like the best bot on steemit :)
I see that it is also a generous bot.
I think just reposting the same thing is not the best solution.
I also feel you about splitting up content to maintain a daily presence. I dont think that is a bad strategy at all. ANd for continuity sake, just link back to the previous parts of your post.
I don't have the time to split posts, link them together, etc, just to chase the extra payout. I have plenty on my hands already, even not counting the day job and the kids! But I've noted a general trend for shorter posts, a photo with few paragraphs... So that sucks for me, as I'm a fan of longer format. Maybe I should make another account where I would just share photos with bits of text - not much use in that except the visual impression.
Reposting sounds like a good solution, however that would split comments. Maybe in a future version of Steem we'll be able to repost the original content on demand, for example pay a fee and mark the post as a new one, keeping all the comments.
I have no idea how the community would react to that, maybe we should ask the others in the chat?
Hey @bobydimitrov. I understand the comment splitting would be sad. I hope steemit will implement a long time solution for content just like you sketch it. Otherwise I will not get old on this platform, as I really would like to dive deep into the long format as well and this speedy (and daily) publishing are not what I am after.
And to be clear and honest: Steemit IS about earning money for me. It sabout earning money with helping others and the spreading knowlege in a community that values these efforts and sharings. If I would not be here for the money, I would certainly not put up with all that spam, flagging plagiarism and fighting for this site to become a content page, rather than a fast click stock market.
@bobydimitrov This is a great comment. I know exactly what youre saying about the 7 day earning limit. I watched this interview with @carlgnash (https://steemit.com/blog/@doctorcrypto/ep-2-of-4-curie-interview-with-a-top-curie-curator-carlgnash, I think thats it) where he mentions the idea of curating old content, resharing it via new post, and then splitting that payout with the authors of the old content. I love this idea. I think we need more of this.
There is certainly an underlying feeling I get when I read old posts. Unless they are great, a small voice in me is saying, read fresh stuff...that is where the action is. But then, as you said, old stuff that is great quality gets ignored.
I have been reading loads about Steem and have found a number of invaluabe posts with loads of info. I even thought about making a post that features two or three of these old articles and then sharing the upvote with them (just like @carlgnash idea).
Either way, I hope the community comes up with some ways to revalue old content. There is so much good stuff out there that gets forgotten.
Oh I'm sure the community will find a workaround! I just hope the developers make our lives easier by creating a proper solution, instead of requiring the workaround in the first place!
I also like the idea of "anthology" posts, if I may call them than! Sounds like a great project for @goldendawne or @kiaraantonoviche! ;) Make a post and call it "Best from the last month / year/ season / whatever" and share the rewards around!
The "Best from last month / year / season /whatever" sond like a really proper idea. Goes arounf the self-reposting and makes curation go a step further. Very good idea!