Thank for your support of my post about this topic. Some people got a little bit too excited upvoting themselves in comments as if it is expected behavior. Unfortunately this is not the point I was trying to make.
Only upvoting yourself is very inclusive. This is social environment there you can actually benefit from connections to others.
I don't see why people would respect an author any more for not self-upvoting when self-upvoting is a very rational choice given the way the system works, especially if your SP gives you the ability to add a Dollar or more to your net worth just by commenting here.
I have no problem with self upvoting. I do it all the time. But there is a kind of vague unwritten limit to how much is acceptable. People tend to notice when you do it too much (whatever too much is). Also, the people who really prosper on Steemit are those who very generously upvote others and network with them, and well... socialize on this social media platform.
If you're going to self-upvote at the expense of voting for others, then you're shooting yourself in the foot no matter what the code allows. For this reason, I don't think there is any reason to be overly concerned. The ones who truly abuse it will kind of weed themselves out. The rest of us who do it in moderation will call it a good ROI.
Exactly this. If you want steemit to work, you have to work it and that means doing more than just using your votes on yourself. You have to spread the love and get this economy working. Buying steem and steem power are also good, healthy inputs into the steemit economy.
This is so much bigger than just another website to post lunch photos on. Cryptocurrency and the block chain / smart contract / decentralized exchange of goods and services and compensation concepts are a new way to do business, and a new way to use "currency" and a new paradigm in economics.
Folks who don't take a few minutes to understand what we are doing on steemit will end up just being the "consumers" in this economy, but those who publish and interact and vote wisely and buy and sell STEEM and bring new spends into the economy by buying steem and steem power and participating actively in all things related to the eco-system will be the market makers, movers and shakers and ultimately the steemit whales and tycoons.
If you could go back in time, to the beginnings of the US Dollar. Would you rather become an innovative, highly contributing wealth creator, like say Andrew Carnegie or Henry Ford or do you want to end up just being a basic consumer who sort of let it all pass them by only to end up working all day for peanuts?
The difference is in the balance of selfishness and selflessness that you apply to the endeavor.
So by all means, vote for yourselves and your friends. But if you exclude everyone else, then @sean-king is right, you have only set yourself up to be excluded by everyone else.
We are all in this together. If you work only for yourself, this place won't last very long. If we work to promote others, and earn the value of promotion BY others for ourselves, we will get MUCH further as a whole towards helping steemit and steem achieve the momentum and attraction they need to take over the world!
But that doesn't take away the incentive for nontechnical new users whose previous business might have been sending out scam emails, or amongst the numerous cultures in the world where such scamming is considered admirable. There is quite a few and that's what is gonna come to the table with this self voting thing. That's my prediction.
I'm sure that @abit and @smooth probably already did this. You should ask them if they still have the Experiment bot scripts floating around. Just change the criteria (self vote vs whale vote) and it will do everything we need. hehehe
What's really bugging me is the rampant self comment voting going on.
I've been trying to be a good example and resist the urge to do it, but there are a lot of greedy people on here draining the reward pool through self votes on useless comments.
How would you feel if I gave myself a vote like this, 10 times every day ?
I'll remove this vote within a day, its just to illustrate a point
It bothers me too. It wouldn't be difficult to build a comment self-vote canceler. Maybe there's a whale out there who would be willing to donate some Steem Power to such a project.
If people knew they were risking losing their vote by self-voting, they would self-vote less and go find more valuable things to do with their votes.
hey fellow brisbanite buddy @ausbitbank - I was wondering if there's a way I can get in touch with you to talk about steemit related stuff (well, really, for me to learn from you) in person or a more private channel? cheers, magic monk ([email protected])
Excellent little nuggets of wisdom there Sean. I aim to split my daily takings 50/50 between myself and others. At the moment it's 70/30 as I start to recover my voting power back to 100% - currently it's 45%!! :(
I am new, and I still don't understand how this all works. I mean the upvote yourself box is checked by default - that's kind of suggesting? I wish there was a manual of the best practices in upvoting. Is there one? I'd be happy to read it!
Thank for your support of my post about this topic. Some people got a little bit too excited upvoting themselves in comments as if it is expected behavior. Unfortunately this is not the point I was trying to make.
Only upvoting yourself is very inclusive. This is social environment there you can actually benefit from connections to others.
I don't see why people would respect an author any more for not self-upvoting when self-upvoting is a very rational choice given the way the system works, especially if your SP gives you the ability to add a Dollar or more to your net worth just by commenting here.
I have no problem with self upvoting. I do it all the time. But there is a kind of vague unwritten limit to how much is acceptable. People tend to notice when you do it too much (whatever too much is). Also, the people who really prosper on Steemit are those who very generously upvote others and network with them, and well... socialize on this social media platform.
If you're going to self-upvote at the expense of voting for others, then you're shooting yourself in the foot no matter what the code allows. For this reason, I don't think there is any reason to be overly concerned. The ones who truly abuse it will kind of weed themselves out. The rest of us who do it in moderation will call it a good ROI.
but but I don't have any friends 😟🙁☹😭
Or do I ?🤔
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Exactly this. If you want steemit to work, you have to work it and that means doing more than just using your votes on yourself. You have to spread the love and get this economy working. Buying steem and steem power are also good, healthy inputs into the steemit economy.
This is so much bigger than just another website to post lunch photos on. Cryptocurrency and the block chain / smart contract / decentralized exchange of goods and services and compensation concepts are a new way to do business, and a new way to use "currency" and a new paradigm in economics.
Folks who don't take a few minutes to understand what we are doing on steemit will end up just being the "consumers" in this economy, but those who publish and interact and vote wisely and buy and sell STEEM and bring new spends into the economy by buying steem and steem power and participating actively in all things related to the eco-system will be the market makers, movers and shakers and ultimately the steemit whales and tycoons.
If you could go back in time, to the beginnings of the US Dollar. Would you rather become an innovative, highly contributing wealth creator, like say Andrew Carnegie or Henry Ford or do you want to end up just being a basic consumer who sort of let it all pass them by only to end up working all day for peanuts?
The difference is in the balance of selfishness and selflessness that you apply to the endeavor.
So by all means, vote for yourselves and your friends. But if you exclude everyone else, then @sean-king is right, you have only set yourself up to be excluded by everyone else.
#LetThatSinkIn
We are all in this together. If you work only for yourself, this place won't last very long. If we work to promote others, and earn the value of promotion BY others for ourselves, we will get MUCH further as a whole towards helping steemit and steem achieve the momentum and attraction they need to take over the world!
exactly what he said !! LOL! 👍👍👍everything in moderation!
Moderation... and balance!
THIS . . so much THIS
exactly !
Precisely! :)
And, I'd point out, the fact that @sean-king didn't vote on this post makes me respect him immensely more.
Keep that in mind as you're deciding whether to vote on your own comments: the community will likely esteem people who refrain from self voting.
But that doesn't take away the incentive for nontechnical new users whose previous business might have been sending out scam emails, or amongst the numerous cultures in the world where such scamming is considered admirable. There is quite a few and that's what is gonna come to the table with this self voting thing. That's my prediction.
Want to build a self-vote canceler?
I'm sure that @abit and @smooth probably already did this. You should ask them if they still have the Experiment bot scripts floating around. Just change the criteria (self vote vs whale vote) and it will do everything we need. hehehe
What's really bugging me is the rampant self comment voting going on.
I've been trying to be a good example and resist the urge to do it, but there are a lot of greedy people on here draining the reward pool through self votes on useless comments.
How would you feel if I gave myself a vote like this, 10 times every day ?
I'll remove this vote within a day, its just to illustrate a pointi swear I would feel very upset ,maybe we could implement limit on self votes or reduce % reward for it
lol....and a good point it does illustrate. @jerrybanfield was talking about the same thing. Well said...well articulated. Thank you for this
It bothers me too. It wouldn't be difficult to build a comment self-vote canceler. Maybe there's a whale out there who would be willing to donate some Steem Power to such a project.
If people knew they were risking losing their vote by self-voting, they would self-vote less and go find more valuable things to do with their votes.
If I get time and nobody else beats me to it I'll make a shaaaame bot that reports the worst abusers.
Perfect. It could even include veiled threats of flags. :)
hey fellow brisbanite buddy @ausbitbank - I was wondering if there's a way I can get in touch with you to talk about steemit related stuff (well, really, for me to learn from you) in person or a more private channel? cheers, magic monk ([email protected])
Hey mate im available in the PAL discord chat a lot of the time - https://discord.gg/KcVwd5B
k I'm there. sent you a private message. thanks again.
Excellent little nuggets of wisdom there Sean. I aim to split my daily takings 50/50 between myself and others. At the moment it's 70/30 as I start to recover my voting power back to 100% - currently it's 45%!! :(
Thank god i was worried :)
I am new, and I still don't understand how this all works. I mean the upvote yourself box is checked by default - that's kind of suggesting? I wish there was a manual of the best practices in upvoting. Is there one? I'd be happy to read it!
Exactly! Thats what i mean.