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RE: 50 STEEM bounty for explaing basic Steem stuff to @the-resistance.

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I'll answer as founder and developer of Smartsteem.com - biggest vote-selling market with over 3500 sellers and 2nd biggest bid-bot with over 1.4 Million Steempower:

First of all: the post-age limit of 3.5 days was a great change. The only reason some people are against it, is simply out of the fact that they don't like to be told what to do - even if it's for the better.

You want to promote your post for visibility? 3.5 days is more than enough. Afterwards you'd primarily do it for monetary gain

Now - the reason why flagging the users of services and bid-bots which allow posts older than 3.5 days is the only viable way - is because users are less attracted of using those services.

Upvoting users who are doing the right thing by using services which only allow post-age of 3.5 days or less is completely useless as

1.) the amount of users is way higher - which makes the possibility of change a lot more difficult and 2.) the wrongdoers have no reason to change their behaviour and 3.) new users have no reason to avoid these services.

Which altogether would result in not achieving the desired effect of vote-services only accepting posts max. 3.5 days old.


But .. but flagging minnows is wrong?!

Yes. But what good is the word of a man if he goes back on it?

@grumpycat told everyone that he'd downvote anyone who uses services & bid-bots that accept bids & requests for posts that are older than 3.5 days.

Nothing more and nothing less.

And regarding the self-voting: it's his stake and downvoting isn't giving any rewards.

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as founder and developer of Smartsteem.com - biggest vote-selling market with over 3500 sellers and 2nd biggest bid-bot with over 2.4 Million Steempower...

....I am the 2nd biggest reason for the utter shite that clogs the Trending pages of Steemit?

I guess those 44 times you bought votes from @smartmarket were just a coincidence.

@abh12345, you've just lost all my respect to you.

I'm not proud about the current status of trending and I'm doing my best to change that, even though the problem is a fundamental one of how trending works, but that you are such a little bitch for using my service while at the same time talking trash about it - that I wouldn't have guessed.

Look at the size of my bids. I don't abuse your bot, or any other bot. Did you ever see me on Trending?

How anyone would ever vote a bid-bot owner who calls other witnesses 'little bitches' as witness is beyond me.

This is the 3rd time I will ask you this question:

What would Steemit look like if everyone chose to delegate their stake to a bid-bot?

@abh12345

What would Steemit look like if everyone chose to delegate their stake to a bid-bot?

I don't see the point of answering a question which is completely ridiculous and purely made to shine a bad light on smartsteem's business model.

Look at the size of my bids. I don't abuse your bot, or any other bot. Did you ever see me on Trending?

You've been passive aggressive against Smartsteem ever since - but if you believe that something is fundamentally wrong as in 2nd biggest reason for the utter shite that clogs the Trending pages of Steemit? - then don't use it.

How anyone would ever vote a bid-bot owner who calls other witnesses 'little bitches' as witness is beyond me.

1.) I'm not a bid-bot owner - I'm a developer who believes in the importance of giving users the ability to promote their content while also making sure that abuse is stopped.
2.) I called you little-bitch, because that's what backstabbing people are to me. Again: don't use my service for over 2 months at least 44 times while telling people how bad it is for Steemit and how I shouldn't be voted for as witness.

And to make one thing clear: Smartsteem is clearly not the last thing I'll develop for Steem. The knowledge I gained through developing Smartsteem the last half a year is more than enough to develop something even more beneficial for Steem.

3.) So you're a witness now as well? Otherwise your statement doesn't make any sense.

I've used your page and bots periodically for various reasons, so don't bother to go look.

But you do need to answer the question, rather than evade it.

Why is my question 'completely ridiculous'? This is an option for everyone to do right now, today.

If an honest answer from you would 'shine a bad light on smartsteem's business model', what does that then tell you deep down?


As you own/manage/develop the 2nd largest bid-bot, then it is reasonable to suggest this bot is the 2nd biggest promoter of content to the Trending pages.

Who owns smartsteem/smartmarket? For simplicity, 'we' call them bid-bots, and not tools of 'a developer who believes in the importance of giving users the ability to promote their content while also making sure that abuse is stopped'.

I called you little-bitch, because that's what backstabbing people are to me.

How am I backstabbing you? This conversation is here for all to see, and soon it will be going out wider than just this thread. I have been 100% open and honest with you since thejohalfiles sold his stake to your service.

...telling people how I shouldn't be voted for as witness.

I have not yet told a single person that you shouldn't be voted as a witness. However, due to your remarks today I cannot promise this will always be the case.

It was an honour to be one of the first accounts on your Whitelist, and with a top '3 star' rating. Back then, the bid-bots were not draining the rewards pool so much. Things have changed now, manual curation has dropped off the charts, and low quality content rules the roost.

You can read the rest of my reply here:

https://steemit.com/steemit/@abh12345/what-would-steemit-look-like-if-everyone-chose-to-delegate-their-stake-to-a-bid-bot

I guess those 44 times you bought votes from @smartmarket were just a coincidence.

That's 44 standard – not just double standard. :)

LOL humans attacking each other rather than dealing with the fundamental problem...

Yeah, this will end well.

So the obvious next stage of evolution on Steem will be bots attacking other bots. Automate all that manual work of actually reading and commenting and attacking on a personal level. Farm it out to your bot army.

At least that is what Obama thought when he killed more civilians with drones than any president before him

Wow, that segway took a wicked left turn. Sorry to anyone that sprained your neck as we took that corner on two wheels.

LOL

It might be like...

A blogging battleship greed type game.

"My shitpost with 4 bid bots, 34 spammer leech comments, no whale vote, 1 whale downvote"

"Miss... your shitpost sunk"

My asslickpost with 3 bid bots, 340 spammer leech comments, 3 well stroked whales, 200 angry shitcunts complaining about earnings"

"Hit! You dog.. you got a $609 payout"

Hey wait..

This is already the game....

Way to kiss the bully's ass, nice work. Oh and nice self voting. No irony in that here, at all!

hopefully he quickly realized. because that kissing was a very bad ass ever.

Hehe, Im sure this cat totally tasted like ass too, since he is the hole of one.

Basic bitch playground bully, nothing more, and everyone bending over for him is spineless.

even people who want to bend no longer know how bad the smell of cat's dirty ass. hope they quickly repent sir ...

There's a difference between recognizing a problem and simply being an arrogant prick.

I couldn't agree more

Your bottom dog is licking cat's ass.

Your bottom dog is licking cat's ass.

Your bottom dog is licking cat's ass.

Your bottom dog is licking cat's ass.

@sircork
Self-vote was simply to highlight the comment.

And since you can't bring a solid argument, you have to insult me. ok.

The solid argument is that you are supporting the concept of "warlords" and self-elected arbitrary and hypocritical assholes. Not a real impressive look for a witness on a decentralized chain. Looks to me like you support the idea of centralizing control to a random cat with an unimaginative stolen identity that upvotes himself for around a grand a day out of the reward pool, while making sociopathic random flags on innocent users, who basically, are operating within the confines of "code is law" here, and not breaking any chain rules.

So either admit you are largely responsible for enabling the bot owners and contributing to the shit that is the trending page by doing so, or take a look within at your motivations for defending a basic bitch playground bully.

Kissing the bully's ass so he won't target you as the enabler of bot owners is a valid argument. And you cannot defend it, so you whine about being insulted. Thicken your skin and defend your position maybe?

Thought so, no defense, but suppression and censorship.

You are a genuine piece of work, little wolf boy.

Hehe, now that I have caught up on the other commentary here, it looks like most people agree, little wolf, that you are pretty much not getting the public opinion you sought.

Because obvious things are obvious.

Watch your words!

Is that a threat? Please let that be a threat, that would make a fantastic post, all about how a top witness is colluding with a bully and threatening other witnesses or calling them little bitches.

Do what you want - but I don't have anymore time for this nonsense.

Proven wrong, he runs away.

Typical of someone who is quite aware their premise and position are fully compromised and indefensible, or else you would simply prove me wrong.

Yep. Typical and predictable.

Maybe you're the bully here?

I've simply downvoted your insults. Nothing more. Nothing less.

should you join @the-resistance to fight the bullies. do not support cats that rob orphan gifts. if you are given a gift by the cat then you have been eating the gift of robbery. you should be ashamed of it

I agree with your sentiment, @therealwolf. One thing though:

But .. but flagging minnows is wrong?!

Yes

Let's get rid of this idea that flagging a minnow is inherently wrong. Let's use a simple syllogism.

  1. Flagging abuse is good.
  2. Some minnows commit abuse
  3. Therefor, flagging some minnows is good.

I could go further and state how I believe it is good to flag facilitators of abuse as well.

That's just my opinion, though.

True. Regardless of Steempower - abuse is abuse.


By the way - you want to see something funny?

If that's the content I'm preventing with the 3.5 days rule - then I'm good!

Hahahaha...
I am just an observer and a reader.

Notwithstanding the separate debate about using bid bots. If a post is not worth promoting after 3.5 days then how much does it add to steem/the world? That is one of the issues of the 7 day payout rule. It reduces the incentive for material that lasts.

WRT promotion itself however - my understanding was that votes were intended to allow humans to weed out the good material where bots don't do that. They promote the material of people who can and want to pay for it.

Before the 3.5 days time-limit, abusers would buy upvotes for their post at around 6.5 days which would reduce the time services like steemcleaners would be able to remove rewards in abuse-cases.

Thank you for your generous upvote.

Do you know why steem stopped the 30 day payout they used to have?

I guess the truth is no matter what great thing is added or changed people will find a way to "abuse" it.

Is there not a global blacklist which all bots should use also, markymark them have one and some others I think but, a global one which can be updated in unison would make it all the more effective, if you are not using it then bottracker won't list you so that is a start at not getting visibility for the bots at least. Bottracker can also more visibily mark any non-compliant bots so new users are not tempted by the fuckers , if used then so be it. I vote guitar twat to be first on the global blacklist.

@penderis
I've thought about that as well, but it's a lot of work! Nevertheless, still thinking about it.

Guitar twat?

for now maybe a public voting page to propose blacklists then a moderator team from the 3top bot can say yes no if yes it goes a weeks voting by lets say at least 200 users or all witnesses the list gets updated and all bots need to check that api before accepting bids. ... not sure if i would trust general users to vote though.

Thinking is just a simple api that will return a clean json reply with usernames and from there it can be expanded. Your bot can already merge markymarks list also, and with time it will be the norm.

Sorry to load the reply. But also implementing a value cap of how much something may worth, there surely is a limit to how much any post could possibly worth since the people are paying themselves, and assuming they are actually losing money on bids it still messes up visibility for legit posts. That is all sorry for the mess.

Blacklists and whitelists (with a fair and transparent rating system - a panel of raters that are selected in a transparent process). That's more like it! innocent until proven guilty.

I don't see a strong argument for limiting the time I should promote my post or upvote my own post for that matter. you're suggesting that people who promote late, are also spammers or putting out shoddy content for profit. If they make profit that way, that's their choice. Who is to say what is shoddy content? The answer is - everyone gets to say. But to allow, encourage and argue for bullying by powerful accounts which don't bother to even manually evaluate the content - merely slap a flag on it based on some vague theory? How can anyone support that approach? This sort of bullying is exactly the culture one wants to work against. To suggest that it is all right to grant a few people the right to limit the choices that other make, it is just disappointing to hear. I can never agree with it.

Steemit allows me to vote on posts until 6 days 11 hours or more. What about self-upvotes on the last day? Of course I can do it too. You can't fight junk appearing on the platform by going about flagging people who choose a business model which you don't agree with. It is just wrong. Let people flag posts as they wish, megalomaniacs included. But people will continue to resist being bullied by hypocrytes who also self-upvote their own spammy comments more often than they curate good content (be that content of their own or by others).

I am very disappointed to see steemmarket supporting such a weak idea as bullying. You guys have a whitelist, you evaluate the quality of content. These are good things to do. I hope to see you standing up against this sort of abuse or working against the problems of trending trash in meaningful, constructive ways; not this kjind of self-agrandizement by a tyrant.

Agreed, who to say what is what, be it spam or not, be it quality posts or not, be it ads or not, be it good or not, be it free speech or not, be it hate speech or not, be it this thing or that thing, etc, like you are saying, I agree, it depends on the systems we want more so, be it mob-ruling democracies or not, be it constitutional, representative, republics or not, be it a voting system which is what Steemit has it seems in some ways or to some extent, and we the people can maybe decide, maybe through voting, together, maybe, what we like and dislike, and that is capitalism, and free speech includes hate speech and spam and ads and bots and many things as included in the generalization of it all and spam can be defined differently by different people too of course. Let the free markets decide. If you like something, upvote it. That is what I do. And I may become a big whale someday. That is capitalism. Some can downvote too but I don't flag. I just upvote and stuff. Thanks for sharing, hehe. I'm Oatmeal Joey Arnold. You can call me Joey.

Nice to know you, Joey. It all seems so simple to me. Ad decentralised systems are all about leaving every person the rights - preventing centralised control. This argument about keeping spam etc out sounds a lot like the argument of stripping our rights to privacy and other freedoms, in the name of the fight against terror. These trolls have to be nipped in the bud and only collective awareness and resistance will end it all.

Remain vigilant. Keep our eyes on the ball, even when we organise, lest those tendencies find their way into our own efforts as well.

You are right about the content on here. Everyone should have a right to say what they want. However, everyone else has the right to agree or disagree with it. I tend to take a logical leaning, and here is the rub: if a flag is considered censorship, then a vote must be considered permission. The opposite of voting is not refraining from voting. It is flagging.

The fact is, the powerful and wealthy have always been in charge of media and communication. Steemit, regardless of its hands-off approach to content, is not going to be any different in this regard. Who gets to decide what trends and what doesn't on this platform? Stripped down, this would be the powerful and wealthy.

If the most influential people on steemit thought spam was cool, then we'd see a lot more of it. If they thought it wasn't, then it would get voted off the island. Here, it appears to be somewhere in the middle.

In the case of bot-votes, trending is a purchased conglomeration of votes meant to mimic the wealthy. And this is a middle ground that levels the playing field somewhat. However, the more powerful users can (and will) determine how these play out. They could just as easily downvote all bot votes. And they don't, largely because some of them are the ones profiting from them in the long run, partly because some of them believe these are a great boost for minnows.

Simply put, the ones who decide what trends and doesn't, whether it's in the news, on the radio, on social media, or on this blockchain--are the powerful and wealthy, with few outliers. But this is the most common human social construct.

In the case of downvoting a post from a bot-vote over 3.5 days, these are the rules someone with power made up, for reasons they believe are meant to shape the platform in a positive way. Take it or leave it. Or fight it. But those are the rules. You know the risks and so does everyone else. When you are wealthy and powerful, you can decide what the rules are. I'm not saying it's right or wrong. I'm just saying, that's how it is.

On another capitalist note, if we were to take an Atlas Shrugged approach and allow spam and crappy content take all the rewards and trend, then this platform would self-obliterate on its own and it would need no help from whales.

The only reason spammers have any ounce of life at all on here is because there is good content and good investment into this community to begin with. If all of the good guys left, the spammers and greedy self-perpetuating whales would be like leaches sucking scum off the bottom of a dried up lake.

I am just saying, actions like a @grumpycat downvoate, as unpopular as they may seem, do theoretically prolong the life and sustainability of the platform. From an investment standpoint, bot-votes longer than 3.5 days old are fiscally and statistically detrimental to the platform, due to the nature of the bids they tend to engender, the content they regularly promote, and the bad humor they create in new users.

The overwhelming number of users who swoop in on the 11th hour of day 6 to win the bid on poorly written and promotional posts are just as guilty of pilfering as another user is of downvoting their pilfer. Their bids 1) do nothing for the life and sustainability of the platform, 2) take advantage of unsuspecting new users who otherwise think their bot bid is worth something, 3) and their content and disingenuous behavior degrade the value of STEEM.

But other than that, they're fantastic. :0)

The only reason that plagiarism is cared about here is because steem inc wants people to, because they don't want to deal with cease and desist letters or other copyright issues. But the funny thing is that rehashed content and memes are what people on other social media enjoy seeing, so this only hurts the value of the platform for content consumers.

What a mess this platform has become. The CEO himself hasn't bothered posting on here in over a month. What does that suggest about the future of this place?

I see almost daily developmental updates about EOS and other up and coming blockchain projects. Smart Media Tokens? Oh yeah, we have a white paper to reference from September without further insight on the roll out status. As long as Steemit is considered the brand face of Steem, this blockchain will continue to lose market share to more dedicated dev teams.

Grumpy and others touting self-proclaimed rules of engagement embody the Animal Farm atmosphere that has run amok on this site. At first I thought Grumpy's initiative was admirable, considering the lack of guidance from Steemit Inc on the issue of voting abuse. Yet a more in depth look reveals that he himself engages in extensive self-voting, as @sircork has pointed out. It's hypocrisy, full stop. Anyone not calling it out for what it is also is a hypocrite.

And anyone supporting this nonsense contributes to the madness - it's easy to pick on the small fish, but if engagement drops further, all you're left with is a silo of sanctimonious enforcers of arbitrarily designated laws that controvert the very code that the platform was constructed upon.

Address the code and apply reform across the board equitably to everyone. Targeting users on a whim is not the way to go about encouraging a systemic quality culture. The apparent indifference of the top Witnesses to all of this, despite the oft discussed issues plaguing Steem, is inexcusable.

To be honest though, steemit inc, the amateur blog site makers aren't in charge of the block chain at all, and EOS is a block chain, which produces information updates about its development. They are not the same thing at all.

Steemit inc makes a shitty blog site. Steem the block chain is not their responsibility.

Yet Steemit Inc is spearheading the roll out of SMTs. And for that, they are responsible.

Freedom. I love freedom. If I wanna Self-Upvote, Good. But you seem to say freedom is limited. You seem to say we should not be allowed to do certain things. Then they should disable the Self-Upvoting Feature then. Tell @Ned to turn off Self-Upvoting capabilities. Either we can or we cannot. But who to say how many self-upvotes are too little or too many? Where is the line between acceptable and abuse? Where are the rules to say what is abuse and what is not abuse? If we do not like Cat and others, we can downvote Cat, make posts about Cat, form a group to do whatever we can to stop Cat or whatever. That is our freedom if we want. We all are better off as we talk about it and as we take action to do all we can to do what we want to do.

Charity Bot, you are right. And the whole thing about what is and is not copyrighted, patented, protected, reserved, covered under fair use, what is in the public domain, what is copy right, what is copy left, what is open source, and everything else, is and is not sometimes problematic in so many ways depending on the countries you are in and depending on many factors and I heard that Walt Disney stole some ideas or drawing, allegedly, from others that worked in him around the 1920's and Disney probably stole it and copyrighted it and that means the other man could not use his own stuff and there are thousands of these stories were copyrights were actually stolen in the first time to protect the robbers and not the actual creators as the original creators are not always able to protect and copyright their work and fair use for parodies and commentaries and other things is another issue as we have Weird Al and others and that is another thing to consider and the public domain thing is another thing to consider also. All of this is very complex and more complex than most people think as it goes both ways in so many ways in the risk and in the pros and the cons of all the laws just like how taxes have problems and welfare has problems too.

No way. Users facing arbitrary attacks from heavily armed terrorists (a grumpycat with a fat wallet is a "gun" here) will not use this platform.

In no way is basic bitch playground bullying for ANY reason acceptable, and will not in ANY way , "prolong the platform"

I don't know. If we could determine whether it was just basic bitch bullying, I'd say I agreed with you. But I don't know if it is.

Anyone could argue that a downvote to an innocent bystander might be intrinsically bullying, outstanding facts aside. However, the real question may not be about the downvoting in itself. It appears to be about what this specific type of downvoting is meant to accomplish, what it is actually accomplishing, and whether that is worth the casualties it may incur.

Those who think the purpose is a worthy one will justify the behavior. Those who think it is not will crucify the behavior. The kind of downvoting, albeit unfair to some, takes an approach that is not a respecter of persons, but an all-or-nothing word to the wise: "Don't use bots after 3.5 days, no matter who you are. They need to be shut down."

Frankly, I'd be more interested in seeing the short term and long term fiscal impact on both the "last-minute-bot-vote-pilfering-from-babies-and-kittens," and the "arbitrary attacks from heavily armed terrorist @grumpycat downvotes," as there are casualties on both sides.

Users facing arbitrary attacks will not likely use this platform. Neither will users who are randomly pilfered out of a purchased bot-vote. The question is, which users are we deterring more of over the long term: those who contribute to the success of the platform, or those who contribute to the failure of it?

As a business model, I'd be more likely to choose the one that retained users who contributed to the long term success of the platform.

As a side note, the system that attracts users with integrity and grit is generally a system that has integrity and grit. Maybe we just sit and see which one holds out...

All your points are true... and yet have nothing to do with what I am upset about.

And that is the fact that we all stand by and argue about this or that side of this issue in terms of the voting and bidbots...

When the real issue, is that a playground full of people has just has one big fat kid step into it from out of nowhere and start imposing his opinion as law in a place where in fact, his opinion is nothing more than his own and had nothing to do with any kind of enforceable anything. It's just an asshole bully with an opinion, and a bigger gun than the people he assaults with his terrorism.

You know, like the mafia does when they sell "protections" to shop owners to ensure they don't have "accidents" by failing to comply with the mafia boss.

"Capiche'?"

OK. So who is it up to then? A lot of people seem to think what he is doing is right. Is it up to those people? Whose opinion actually matters? If not his, then whose? Yours? If you had the big guns, and you could do whatever you wanted with them, what would you do in his place? Would you allow the bid-bot profiteers to run off the noobs and pilfer the kittens?

Agreed, so much has been decided, influenced, managed, controlled, governed, historically, culturally, globally, by the wealthy, basically, generally, and Steemit basically has that, absolutely, or to some extent, and I like that, and we also have some ability to influence each other and to compete to become wealthy as well, eventually in the long-run, as we go up ladders to compete with whales on Steemit and everything. I promote freedoms for better and for worse. If we do not like @GrumpyCat, we may try to Downvote Cat, talk about it more, take actions maybe. Those are our freedoms perhaps. And it is also Cat's freedom to do stuff be it good or bad as the wealthy makes up the rules so to speak like you said. For me, I try to ignore it. I don't downvote people. But I don't want to stop others from making their own choices. I try to focus my time on things I like as much as I can instead of crying about things I do not like. Thanks for writing. :)

Agreed, that is freedom, for better or for worse, for the good people and for the bad people as opposed to subjective rules applied only sometimes to some people at certain times and so on and so forth as that is not what this decentralized system is really all about basically, potentially, ultimately, like you are saying, and it is our job to talk about all of this more and more and to raise awareness of stuff, all kinds of things, good things and bad things, and people too, and we can talk about Cat for example, and we can come together and downvote Cat or whatever as those are our choices perhaps. I am not going after Cat. I do not care what the cat does. The cat has freedoms. I respect those freedoms even if Cat is doing bad or whatever the case may be. I am focused on spending time around people and things I like. I upvote. I do not downvote, haha. Like smoking. I do not smoke. Maybe a store will sell cigarettes. Yes. To make money. And Grumpy Cat has the freedom to buy cigarettes even if that is bad. I will not buy any. But I will let Cat exercise freedom, freewill. Amen.

You want to promote your post for visibility? 3.5 days is more than enough. Afterwards you'd primarily do it for monetary gain.

And regarding the self-voting: it's his stake and downvoting isn't giving any rewards.

Minnows self voting isn't giving much of any rewards either. When they buy votes, they are doing so with their stake. The vote sellers, likewise, are also using their stake. I wouldn't be surprised if grumpy cat was a vote seller himself, or a group of them. That would explain his incentive.

The fact of the matter is, grumpy often upvotes himself on the last day. If you're saying that's ok, then minnows doing the same is also ok. In fact, minnows buying votes are also taking on risk which he is not.

Additionally, being a capitulating service, you have a vested interest in supporting his activities. By strongarming customers, he is decreasing your competition.

The posts on the trending page upvoted by bidbots don't deserve to be there!

That's what the real problem is, most of the people think that the low-quality posts dominate the trending page and they don't deserve to be there.


Now, as the founder and developer of the smartsteem, I know that you can't check each and every post upvoted by your service, and I definitely know that you want to make steemit a better place and help people here.

So, instead of concentrating on all the users, how about you concentrate on the users bidding for big upvotes?

I mean nobody cares about if anyone gets 1$ upvote from any bid bot( small abusers can be handled easily by making guidelines and rules, blacklisting) but the ones who make it to the trending or hot page, everyone has got eyes on them, and it is your service that will be held responsible for taking them to the top of hot/trending level.

So if you check all the users who bid big( which would be about 1 or 2 in every 2.4 hours, that makes a maximum of 10-12 posts a day), you can considerably improve the quality of posts upvoted by your service that makes it to the trending page

Everyone downvotes trending posts upvoted by bid bots because of its mediocre quality, that results in loss of the users and gains hate for your services. But if the quality of the posts is good, people will upvote the posts, it will be beneficial for both the user and your services. The scenario will be completely opposite to the current one.


You said it yourself that it took more than half a year for you to develop smartsteem, now I know that you don't want it to end in a way that people will remember it as a service that supported abusers. A service hated by a lot of people.

The whole thing depends upon how inclined you are to find a solution to improve the quality of posts upvoted by your service. That will help everyone, the investors, users. And more people will support the users in future if their post quality is good, that makes a long-term benefit for the user for the one-time investment, rendering your services more useful.

In the end, I believe that this is quite an opportunity for your service to make this a better place not just for the content creators, but for content absorbers too, as of now, most people create content, very few read it.

now I know that you don't want it to end in a way that people will remember it as a service that supported abusers. A service hated by a lot of people.

and yet here we are...

yepp, here we are...

Arent we doing everything for monetary gain??

No you are here to fall in line with those who have existed here long enough to believe their own bullshit that their rules is what you should obey. BUT.. only you and those at your level.

The ones higher up and with enough SP ... set different rules for themselves.

Steemit has a long future......

That's kinda what I thought too.

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PS - Watch out with statements of the obvious in reward-pool arguments...you'll get a pie flung at your head.

I'm used to worse. 😸