Steem Alliance, Free Fair Elections, and Me

It came to my attention, very late in the process, that @steemalliance was not going to include an option to express dissent in their election.
The option to express a no vote on all of the proposals is being denied to the community.

I simply asked that the dpoll include none of the above as an option to select.

We can safely know that most Steemizens are not aware of what is happening with the steem alliance foundation.

Those that bothered to register are a minority of the 50k daily active accounts. (I'm guessing.)
That reflects more on the apathy of our community than it does on the efforts of the steem alliance.
They are doing the best they can to get the word out.

If you have not registered, you are in luck, this election is about selecting one of the proposals that have been presented.
I'm sure the best one will prevail.
No thanks to you.

My issue with all this, aside from the general apathy of the average Steemizen, is that half of the choices are being omitted.
Only yes is being presented as an option.

The discussion of this matter fleshed out some opinions.

The issue wasn't raised in time.
There should have been a proposal submitted.
Adding this as an option will upset the apple cart.

What happens if nota wins?
It says that there are more options to be had than the ones presented.
Maybe folks get confused thinking that other options than the presented proposals exists.

All valid concerns.

Not valid reasons to exclude the option of none of the above, but valid, none the less.

My reasoning on the matter is that if the option to chose none of the above is omitted then the only choice presented is yes, yes, or yes.
No has been removed from the ballot.

I would have raised this issue sooner if it had occurred to me that the working group was failing to make dissent an option.
It never occurred to me that a free, fair, and open to the community election would keep no from being on the ballot.

Just for future reference, if you run a poll be sure to include options that you don't like, if you want to claim to be unbiased.
Also, if you want to claim to be 'community supported', then you need to include the voices of those that don't support you.
Otherwise free speech is not happening.

Excluding those opinions, because they make a mockery of the 3 months of work you just did, makes your poll biased.

If nota is not an option, no is taken off the ballot.
The election is not open.
Only yes is on the ballot.
Only yes can win.
You get to chose one or the other, but you cannot express your dissent to all the proposals.

This vote is only open to those that want to say yes to one of the proposals.

By including nota, we measure how much dissenting sentiment is in the community.
We already see that a majority of accounts didn't care enough to register to vote.
I haven't seen numbers on the percentage of stake that has registered.
But I am not comfortable conflating this apathy with lack of dissent.
I would rather actually measure it by presenting it as an option.

It is this option that makes your election fair.
If there is no option to say no, then your election is biased in favor of yes.

Yes?

Silencing folks when not silencing folks only requires one more option on the ballot, seems petty to me.
It makes it appear that you don't have confidence in what you have been doing.
It makes it appear that you have something to fear from the minority that express dissent on everything.

Include nota as an option on the ballot.
Excluding it is a mistake, imo.

It's not like folks will overwhelmingly sign up just to vote no.
In fact, isn't registration closed?

At this point, there is not much possibility that folks will wake up and see that they can monkeywrench something to express their disdain for the chain being hijacked by the linear rewards crowd.
Even if they did, registration is closed.

Better luck next time, dissenters.
We didn't get out in front of the silencers.

We have been silenced.

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Sounds familiar. 😎

Yes, there are more options than those presented.
At this point it is a power play.
They can declare this at an end and all decisions final, so they have.

It's just who we are dealing with.
Control freaks, order givers, and some willing to use force to rule.

Thanks for helping to expose the corruption those folks provide us.

SteemIt inc wants to make a foundation.

I'm not sure what a vote for none of the above would mean?

Ned isn't allowed to make a foundation

Then why bother asking for community input if you only want input from supporters?
Eliminating choice is a clear statement of who i am dealing with.

I told them i was through, but they asked for more.
They were happy with their choice two days ago.

I'm still foggy on what they mean when they say 'community' as in "attention community".

Is all this stuff translated into at least a few languages? I hope they don't just mean English speakers.

There is an entire channel of translations.

Good to know.

Since you say 'channel' do you mean on Discord, not on the blockchain?

Many of us don't use Discord. I only recently relented to the urging of my peers and reluctantly made an account.

Well the channel is on discord it's a collection of posts that were made on the blockchain.

Now whether or not people are paying attention... I don't know.

You can bring a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.

It's always seemed strange to me that no one ever talks about bringing the water to the horse instead.

Actually I thought that too. I thought Ned should just make a foundation and hand it over to the community.

IMO he doesn't need community input to decide how to use his stake.

But I think he is trying to do a better job of working with the community.

What do you make of the blocktrades thingy taking from the pool and nobody else?

I'd like it better if we were all in it together.
Let the witness do things to increase the steem price if they want a raise.

While it isn't perfectly ideal, I think it gets money a little closer to the community.

Also it is clear that SteemIt, Inc has a very limited scope and almost no understanding of their own user base.

Frankly the more money we can get in more hands to promote and build with is a win.

Yeah, it makes utopian redundant and getting that tape worm off the intestines will be a move in the right direction.

It still seems convenient that only the part going to the reward pool will pay.
Maybe we aren't all in this together, after all.
o.0

Yeah, he could pull his bacon out of my fire on any given Tuesday.
Think he will?

Once a legal foundation is created he would have influence for sure, but at least that is one step away from total control.

So,...yes?

At this point I think short of taking his millions and jumping ship I don't really expect anything positive to come from that corner.

We should have forced them to sell, or stfu, with the whale experiment, but I wasn't calling shots then, either.

None of us are calling the shots! That is for sure.

:)

Lol, ain't freedom great!!?

That's the thing about free speech, it's just as good the second day.

Right, we are going for the best option that was submitted during the submission period.

No foundation / maintain the status quo / I don't want to vote are all viable, but It won't help us to select the best proposal out of the existing 5 so it is pointless.

If NO, won we would just go with number 2 most common and all it would indicate is that 90%+ active accounts still don't care, but the most popular option was none of the above.

Also since the yes vote would be split, it would have to be higher than all combined before we could actually assume the majority of voters don't want any choice.

Even if more than 50% of votes were for none of the above. It still wouldn't even mean we must halt the proposal because we would already know what the best proposal is.

Is the best proposal ever proposed on the list? Nope. Is there room for serious improvement? Yup, thats why we are doing this.

It's derailment. It has nothing to do with freedom of speech. We are being invited to voice our opinions. The people who want nothing can't actually have that by doing nothing.

They were allowed to express their opinion and it was nonsensical / does not apply.

Yes, better to just eliminate the choice,....o.0

The support of the community is pretty clear.

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Thanks for speaking out of my mind! :)

In general I dont understand why you cant register anymore.
What about any new user?
Isnt allowed to take part? In the community?

Lel

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Lol, they had enough shame to at least cap sp fairly low.
As it is they are setting up the mother of all circle jerks and giving themselves trophies from the commons.

Ahh.. You mean democracy?

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Well, less pay to win anyway.
Democracy sucks when it gets their guns and starts serving the life out of you.

Rule by force is the disease, who and how are symptoms.

But democracy is perfect in making an illusion that people rule for themselves.
And because the masses are dumb you can force the little intelligent group. ;)

Mob rule legitimation

Yeehaw!
Get your guns boys!
We're going raiding!
That little town done voted out the boss!

We are not allowed to have guns in germany

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If you can buy ammo you can make a gun.
https://archive.org/search.php?query=Kurt%20saxon
You can make ammo, too.

When i was there in the 80's they were kept in hunt and gun clubs.
Maybe you can join one of those?
When the ballon goes up the practice will have been worth it.

Wait, SP was capped?

I'm scared to know what that cap was, even at "fairly low".

I think at 100k sp.
It might be 250k.

Yes, at least they gave us that.
Now if we could get back the n2 with that cap we could start crowd sourcing 'good' content, again.

My understanding is: this is no election. This is merely an opinion-poll, asking which of the existing proposals people think is the best one. That's - as far as I understand - the reason for keeping it to A,B,C,D or E.

This 'structure' will be used to greatly influence who gets rewards in the future.

Them wanting to only include supporters should concern everybody.
Unless they are supporters and dont mind bending over to get rewards.
Then they should join in the circle jerk.
'Last one in gets a wet willy!'

Fair enough analysis.

Those japanese have made excellent economic slaves,...

Not interested in it myself, but very good points that you raised!

Not interested
In it myself, but very
Good points that you raised!

                 - lucylin


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Just free speechifying, my man.

You know anything that comes of it will favor the haves over the rest of the slaves.

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