intellectual spirituality to face luck and bad luck, A comment to @wakeupkitty.pal's post
Joining Steemit and then following the interaction is a fun thing. we feel like we are in a close friendship so that commenting on each other's posts makes us feel like we are sitting together even though in reality we are separated by distance and time.
I follow @wakupkitty's posts which provide a lot of inspiration in being active on Steemit. So many friends are also inspired by her. She is so good at sparking a conversation in the comments that are opened with interesting topics.
This time she also made a post with the theme of the existence of luck in life. I also feel flattered when I know my name is also mentioned.
So it would be rude if I didn't get involved in her invitation to join her conversation. I also learned a lot from her that a comment can become a post.
This time through me @wakeupkitty.pal carrying the topic of the existence of luck, and you can find it here. She started the story about luck with a translation that did not have the same meaning as desired. He said luck by google translate is interpreted as happiness while if the translation is reversed, happiness will have a different equivalent word.
This topic is certainly interesting because we often experience an event that we then consider as luck or even unluck or bad luck. It could be when someone experiences an unpleasant event and then says luck is not on my side. Or when we experience something pleasant like winning a competition then we say I'm lucky, or this is my luck.
Or as said by @lupega and other friends who believe in karma will definitely say that everything we receive is karma from all the actions we have done in the past. People will see that good karma and bad karma will be reaped at one time. If we see something negative or a bad event due to someone's actions, then we will be directed not to do negative things so that bad events like what he has seen or known do not happen.
While @grebmot who calls himself rambling actually explains logically about luck and karma. Everything that is often considered taboo is not necessarily true. When luck happens it is an effort or even when bad luck happens there is certainly a definite cause and it is not because of taboos or other things from outside the cosmos
actually explains logically about luck and karma. Everything that is often considered taboo is not necessarily true. When luck happens it is an effort or even when bad luck happens there must be a definite cause and it is not because of taboos or others from outside the cosmos.
So everything is a consequence or in our proverb we say "hands gripping shoulders carrying", which means dare to do dare to take responsibility.
In my opinion luck and bad luck are just terms. For some people who see it mystically, spiritually or karma is also valid. They see the fact that what is planted will be reaped, but just because they use the term karma then it all goes back to the naming of the term.
In religious discipline it is said that God will repay what is done by every human action. If you do bad things you will get punishment or sin, while when you do good things you will get rewards.
What is meant by luck is the consequence of all good deeds which then get their good impacts. On the other hand, if we do bad things then we also have to bear the risk of those actions.
Maybe this is not the right example. back when I was in college I had to go home to my village. When I wanted to go back to campus I had to wait for the bus. Unfortunately when the bus I had been waiting for for an hour didn't stop and I had to wait another hour to get a bus in the same direction. How sad and disappointed, and angry I was at that time. However, what could I do I still had to be patient waiting for the bus until it finally came and I could join it.
On the way later I saw a bus going into a ravine. And how shocked I was when I found out that the bus that had the accident was the bus that left me before the departure of the bus that I was on. At that time I felt lucky and grateful because I didn't become a victim of the bus that went into the ravine. If I had joined the first bus then I would have become a victim.
Talking about luck and bad luck, of course we have to be able to explain it well. If the religious approach is carried out by only teaching dogma, of course children will grow up with a narrow perspective. However, if we understand luck and bad luck as a cause and effect then we will see more clearly.
As social beings, we must relate to others and behave well so that others will welcome us well too. Likewise, as part of nature, we must also use natural resources by paying attention to the preservation of nature so as not to cause disasters. So that we don't just say that all of this is bad luck, or even worse, say that all of this is just destiny that must be lived.
We can't just say that if a lizard falls on your head it will cause bad luck or bad luck. First, we must realize that the fall of the lizard itself is bad luck. not then imagine the bad consequences after we are hit by a lizard.
It's time for us to explain religious teachings and understand them logically so that we can live with good morals and ethics but also use common sense, or I call it intellectual spirituality.
That all my writing today. Thank you for stopping by and reading my post. I hope you enjoy it.
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You're raising a great point. You missing that bus and therefore avoiding an accident is a perfect example of a blessing in disguise. Nobody really knows how things are ultimately going to turn out. Good luck, bad luck? A lot of that is just a matter of perspective. It reminds me of an allegory of a Chinese farmer who kept his stoicism in the face of changing fates. A loss led to him winning something else, which resulted in another loss, which temporarily spared him some trouble. Meanwhile nobody around him quite gets his apparent indifference.
I guess some might argue that this kind of passive attitude is really just phlegmatic, but I'd say it's just a natural progression of human consciousness. Or rather a potential side-effect of getting older, especially in terms of those who've seen a lot. Beyond I reckon it might be kind of counter-intuitive or even unnatural for a young person to live like this. Better just live your life while you're young and enjoy the ride. Cry, laugh, all of that. You'll know when you have had enough.
There's also another idea I quite like, when Carl Sagan talked about how things imply each other. If you want to create an apple pie from scratch, so he said, you'll have to invent the universe first. The concept of that pie implies space, time, apples, trees and so on. Each additional thing implies something else with its own implications, recursively forever. A bit like this comment implying yours and yours being a reaction to mine, in part at least. Same as me only having posted because @wakeupkitty.pal was tagging me first, if we're being deterministic about it.
I'm saying the latter because if I were God and I wanted to make YOU from scratch, the same would apply. It's this exact recipe that has turned you into this specific manifestation of whatever you are. Who knows, maybe we're all working towards the manifestation of something beautiful. Something that's worth the suffering. Or maybe life really is just meaningless chaos. Yet weirdly enough that premise still applies. No matter how bad things are, here and there the soup gives rise to something beautiful. It isn't all just endless horror.
I'm not married to that opinion, it's more or less just how I'm feeling right now. I might feel differently about it tomorrow.
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Thank you for joining in the comments. I see this topic as a theme that has a deeper understanding when a concept of spirituality is juxtaposed with rationality. and what you describe is actually true. I see a reality that makes us have to continue to think positively to continue with positive actions, as we know in Buddhism we also teach about eight paths of truth, one of which is thinking correctly with the right intentions and of course it must be followed by correct actions. We in Indonesia, which is very diverse in terms of religion, feel that almost all religions teach morals and character as one of the pillars in living life. that what we sow we will reap and everything will have consequences. If we realize this well then we will be able to coexist with anyone, including humans, animals, plants and all the natural resources around us. meaning that everything will have good implications for ourselves.
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With or without religion I believe we all follow the same rules which is law. The law is not that different from what religions teach although it might come in different forms and the punishments are different as well.
If we like it or not the world we live in is diverse and it would be very boring if we would be and think in the same way.
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Thank you very much :-)!
I wrote you back and next.. so everything gone and I hope I can recall what I wanted to say.
You gave Italy something to read and are a great @diaginassio, I'm happy you joined and are willing to share your thoughts.
The story about the missed bus is indeed what one can call "being lucky" although if you never had seen (or heard) about the accident it would have still been bad luck meaning if it comes to luck/bad luck it has all to do with perspective.
I like the story about the lizard dropping on the head and it reminded me of a pigeon pooping on my head as a kid. Of course, it was dirty but my father told me it would bring luck (it didn't either).
This is a very good remark and what I miss most. Common sense and intellectual spirituality. I wonder what happened that most people lack it or perhaps it always has been this way?
In my opinion, many people are religious but not religious. They even deify religion more. Many people see religion as something that must be worshiped so that not a few people misunderstand.
This happens because they understand religion artificially. Not seeing that God created us as humans who are given reason and character. Blind fanaticism towards religion makes us think very narrowly. When we are influenced to do evil things under the guise of religion or verses in Sunni books without including the right understanding or interpretation, it can certainly be dangerous.
The emergence of radicalism is a result of this narrow understanding.
Seeing a verse that states that people outside our sect must be eradicated. They will be able to kill other humans and will lose their humanity. In fact, religion is given to humans as a way to achieve good spirituality. The best spirituality in my opinion is when it can humanize humans. Making humans whole and equal without ever looking down on others.
Spirituality is higher than just adhering to a religion. Spirituality gives us awareness to do good and give our best.
I am not sure about what you mean by your first words but I assume it is the translator mixing up words.
There is religion, an institution, building, leader, certain rules and orders the followers should live by (should most don't only if it fits them or if it comes to like minded).
Next to these instirutions for believers there are the "pagans" making a fool of today but whose cuktural habits and rituals are adapted by many religions or people wirld wide at the same time.
Next to that we have (partly pagan as well) cultural old believes, laws, rule to live by and also many are set by societies/governments all based on socialism and humanity(if the ruler is a christian the people are forced into christianity).
Is there more than following rules, fighting wars in name of god, saying you are the chosen one and god (only) protects your country?
To me there is and indeed this is awareness - spirituality which is at the first place about feeling completeness yourself which is tabu/wrong/called selfish if it comes to any religion/institution I know. Who was created out of dust should keep crawling through the dust and live like a sinner and pay for being a sinner.
The awareness should be to be good, not to do good. Doing good is the result of being good. Doing good is fake if it is just to promote oneself, save on the payment of taxes or find a flock of sheep to win the elections.
Good topic though I learned religion is one og those topics people fight about and are not able to discuss since what one believes is holy.
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I mean some one who have a religion but doesn't religious. for an example he admit a moslem or christian, but he doesn't live with islamic or chistianity way, He use verse of holy book for his interest . that's why I said to have a religion but also not have a religion. The religion used is only used as a dress, not as a basis for behavior.
As you said, every entity must have rules that can be made in various ways. If it is a customary order, of course the community itself, starting from the way of habit to the customs that are recognized together by the community.
I agree that doing good is an implication of being a good person. Being a good person is a characteristic of humanity. We are aware that we live in a pluralistic society so we must be able to carry ourselves well.
As an interfaith discussion, it is actually not a problem because it can open up shared insights about our diversity. that we will never force one religion on another person, that's for sure. But it's good when someone gets to know another religion and then understands why someone does their worship in their own way. of course all is based on an attitude of curiosity without the aim of discrediting other religions
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Thanks for explaining the first part. If you ask me 95% of all religious people (if not more) ignore the rules. If that wouldn't be the case they wouldn't lie, steal, rape, fight wars, scam, lift their hand against children, women, bully, harm nature and whatever more we can think of.
It is still a miracle to me how all these acts are justified by a book or some religion. It is still an unanswered question after all those years of writing with prisoners.
I like to see life, people, whatever they believe more realistic and the bragging and preaching I can't take seriously. Visiting a church doesn't mean one is a good person. I also don't see the need to pay the church so I end up in heaven, no thanks It feels like a horror to me to meet all those people who claim they are the best of the best.
I understand most people need something to cling to, believe in but if it comes to it I rather stick to the Celtic gods and their worship of the old, first creatures like the stones, rocks, trees and mother Nature. Perhaps the fact Nature is female, the earth and the moon are makes more sense to me?
As said it's hard to discuss religion with most people because they feel personal attacked if you question (especially if they don't have an answer) and I noticed thinking for oneself is what most people lack. Kind of sad since if this is the case there's nothing to learn.
Btw, I do have friends with different believes like one of them is Jehova Witness and I can tell her what I don't like about this club. For example being super kind to outsiders but forcing the members to kick out their own children and literally ignore them even after one word of a judas. Seems the men rule and aren't checked if it comes to their dirty behaviour and being a rat is appreciated and rewarded. Although I tell her it breaks my heart how own family is treated we are still friends and we can talk about everything and I know it makes her think and she does abandon her son but a part of the children do abandon her because of that (and the rat is the son in law).
It feels as if religion is rarely peaceful, a way to show love and care about another and what I notice (and I am not the only one) is that those without a religion are 90% more willing to give to charity and reach out to strangers. I wonder what causes that.
Happy to read your #comment and know about your thought.
In my opinion making clear is a good way to avoud missunderstanding.
I'm happy to be able to discuss and convey opinions and understanding. I think more openly and don't blindly reject the truth. For me, truth can come from anywhere and I believe that the ultimate truth comes from the Almighty. we know how hard it is to do it. always feel imprisoned by the rules. I see that the rules in religion must be understood more broadly so that we don't lose common sense. If there are groups or even other religions that have their own principles, we must respect them without demeaning them. My home is often visited by Jehovah's Witnesses and we discuss many things. Once upon a time two Jehovah's Witnesses stopped by and then we saw they were tired and I served them water and then there was a conversation until I asked a question
"Could an almighty God make a stone so big that he himself couldn't lift it?"
At that time, this question still could not be answered until at the next meeting they came with young people whose understanding seemed more educated. We then chatted more and we found many points of similarity between the teachings of the Bible and the Koran until we came to the conclusion that the closest relative of Christianity is Islam. I said that in the Koran there is a surah named Maryam, who became the mother of Jesus. So we can see that there is solidarity and closeness between the two. Brand also complained about the attitudes of other Christian groups who consider Jehovah's Witnesses to be heretical. So I say that actually in religion there is no need to judge the beliefs of other people or groups. Just live your life normally and worship according to your own beliefs. My diverse environment with shared religions makes us more open minded.
I have good Buddhist friends and have a broad understanding. Likewise, my Hindu friends can live side by side like in Bali. Unfortunately, it was later polluted by evil radicals who thought the brand was the best and then thought the others were wrong. we call those who arrogantly think they own the truth "the committee of heaven" It is as if they are the ones who determine who has the right to join the group while groups outside them are heretical and lawful to kill. Wouldn't teachings like this be very dangerous for humanity? They will very easily be brainwashed with the promise of getting an angel in heaven and then detonate a suicide bomb. how sorry they are. So we are happy who still use common sense in practicing religion or not.
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